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    Australia's greatest chess players

    Who are Australia's greatest ever chess players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Sertez
    Who are Australia's greatest ever chess players?
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    Likely to cause lots of argument so, to get the ball rolling, I'll put up, off the top of my head, in rough chronological order:

    Esling
    Watson
    Steiner
    Purdy (CJS)
    Koshnitsky
    Goldstein
    Rogers
    Johanssen

    and see who bites.

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    Was it Rogers or the Aust Encylopedia(?) who said that Flatow was Aussies most misunderstood player - doesn't Fred rank?

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    I had a look on chessmetrics to see who it rated and while many famous Australian players weren't even rated in its system (and Purdy only in the twilight of his career), Jamieson and Endzelins are both rated by chessmetrics as among the top 100 in the world at some stage of their career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Sertez
    Who are Australia's greatest ever chess players?
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    A few of the very best, in alphabetical order, were:
    (a rough guess of when their best chess was played)

    Esling, F (1885 – 1915)
    Fuller, M (1965 – 80)
    Hjorth, G (1977 – 1986)
    Jamieson, R (1972 – 1991)
    Johansen, D (1978 – )
    Purdy, C (1924 – 1963)
    Rogers, I (1977 – )
    Solomon, S (1983 – )
    Wallace. A. (1890 – 1920)
    Wallace, J (1993 – 2000)
    Watson, C (1906 – 1935)

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    Ahem cough cough,

    I think some key names have been left off the list here.
    Of course they are all MCC LEGENDS!! and two of them are still alive!

    G.West
    D.Hamilton
    and
    the infamous F.A Crowl

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDavies
    What are you trying to say? That link has little to do with this topic, well as far as I could be bothered reading. I will give you some time to edit or delete your post so it fits in with the topic, otherwise it will be deleted as spam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGB
    What are you trying to say? That link has little to do with this topic, well as far as I could be bothered reading. I will give you some time to edit or delete your post so it fits in with the topic, otherwise it will be deleted as spam.
    Wasn't Berger a strong Australian player? Berger Cup named after him perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watto
    Wasn't Berger a strong Australian player? Berger Cup named after him perhaps?
    Exactly my point... why isn't that clear from Alex's post? Why do we need to click a link to another page to find out a posters view?

    It is fair enough to add Berger; now I would have to make the following additions to my list above...

    Berger, B 1955 – 1963
    Koshnitsky, G 1930 – 1955
    Steiner, L 1939 – 1960
    Last edited by JGB; 16-03-2007 at 10:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGB
    Exactly my point... why isn't that clear from Alex's post? Why do we need to click a link to another page to find out a posters view?
    It is clearly not spam. Might have been better if he'd linked to www.chessgames.com/player/bela_berger.html or chessmetrics but if you start applying that rule consistently here you'll be getting very hot under the collar...
    Anyway, a general question for those in the know: did he move to Australia at a later age or was he born and bred here?

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    Would Walter Browne count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireeater
    Would Walter Browne count?
    I guess this is a demarcation question for the thread-starter to answer: do players who were only temporarily here qualify?

    Perhaps greatness should be judged on the basis of greatness while the player was Australian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I guess this is a demarcation question for the thread-starter to answer: do players who were only temporarily here qualify?

    Perhaps greatness should be judged on the basis of greatness while the player was Australian?
    The problem is that a lot of Australian chess players were only temporarily here (otherwise than in the sense that we are all only temporarily here) or were not born in Australia. Shawn Browne was, I think, born here, Cecil Purdy wasn't. Greg Hjorth hasn't lived her for ages. Players like Steiner, Koshnitsky, Goldstein, Berger etc all attained adulthood before coming here. Steiner played his best chess before coming here though he was still good enough to thrash the best here. These things are only a bit of fun anyway as the main idea is to identify our best players without getting too worried about the rules for selection.
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    FWIW Browne was =19th in the world in the Jan 1976 FIDE list rated 2585.
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