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    I'd consider it to be a "such other things thought necessary or desirable to the interests of the game of chess within Tasmania."
    Agreed - just so long as they don't go transferring the titles like they transfer each other's bits ...

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    Records updated to reflect retrospective award of a share of both the 2016 Champs and Lightning titles to Martin Friebe.

    In making this decision the TCA confirmed the validity of all past awards of the title including 2016, and the validity of its previous (now changed) eligibility rule and declared that its decision on these matters is final.

    The previous eligibility rule required current residency in the state including at least 12 months lifetime residency (not necessarily consecutive).

    Everyone eligible under the old rule remains eligible under the new one but currently resident players are also eligible if they are:

    - in the state for a course of study of 12+ months duration
    - in the state for permanent employment or a contract of 12 months+ duration
    - enrolled to vote in the state, or their parent or guardian is enrolled to vote in the state.
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    If anyone can fill in the ?s (eg by checking the Tasmanian news section in old Chess In Australia or similar mags) that would be appreciated:


    DRAFT LIST OF TASMANIAN JUNIOR CHAMPIONS (UNDER 18 CHAMPIONS)



    1959 (inaugural title) D. Robbie

    1960-1961 ?

    1962 - 1972 (Event not held)

    1973-1976 ?

    1977 Andrew Foong and Derek Roebuck

    1978 Adrian Flitney

    1979 Daryl Williams and Bill Sargent

    1980 Daryl Williams and Astrid Ketelaar

    1981 John Spooner

    1982 Nigel Lewis and John Spooner

    1983 Michael Roberts

    1984 Shane Harvey and Michael Rolph

    1985 Michael Rolph

    1986 Julian Steward

    1987 ?

    1988 Alastair Morgan

    1989 Ben Fearnley-Sander

    1990 Tom Baxter

    1991 Christian van Niewenhuysen

    1992 ?

    1993 Huw Lockwood

    1994-5 ?

    1996 Pablo Oriol

    1997 Pablo Oriol

    1998 Maciej Samborski

    1999 Allan Richards

    2000 Ben Hey

    2001 (Event not held)

    2002 Nick Cuff

    2003 Myong-Sub Park

    2004 ?

    2005 Thomas Hendrey

    2006 Alastair Dyer

    2007 Alastair Dyer

    2008 Alastair Dyer

    2009 Alastair Dyer

    2010 Alastair Dyer

    2011 Mason Carter

    2012 Davis Kim

    2013 Jonathan Popiel

    2014 Davis Kim

    2015 James Peirce

    2016 Andrew Smith

    Prior to 2004 the event was at least notionally held in separate divisions: U18, U16, U14 etc. But in practice through the 1990s U18 and U16 at least were often combined. From 2005 (or maybe 2006) on the event was held as a U18 tournament and a U12 tournament with the other divisions awarded from within these. A culture of regarding the U18 winner as the "Tasmanian Junior Champion" has certainly existed since 2005 but evidence prior to that is unclear.

    From 2013 the title was awarded to the highest-finishing individual player in the ChessKids Interschool Tasmanian State Final.

    In 2011 Mason Carter was the unopposed champion as he was the sole U18 entrant.

    I do not have confirmation that the event was held in 1992.
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    Out of curiosity, how many of the Under 18 champions were picket fences?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Peirce View Post
    Out of curiosity, how many of the Under 18 champions were picket fences?
    At least eight: Flitney 1978, Rolph 1985, Baxter 1990, Samborski 1998, Dyer 2008 and 2009, Kim 2014, Peirce 2015.

    I do not have the scores for outright winners in 1996, 1997, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2007. Oriol (1996-7 champion) was extremely strong and I am pretty sure he picket-fenced at least one of those years if not both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    At least eight: Flitney 1978, Rolph 1985, Baxter 1990, Samborski 1998, Dyer 2008 and 2009, Kim 2014, Peirce 2015.

    I do not have the scores for outright winners in 1996, 1997, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2007. Oriol (1996-7 champion) was extremely strong and I am pretty sure he picket-fenced at least one of those years if not both.
    At least i can probably claim being the oldest winner of the Under 18 title considering i was 17 years and 350 days old
    EDIT: Depends on whether the definition of under 18 is at beginning of calendar year, date of tournament or end of calendar year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Peirce View Post
    At least i can probably claim being the oldest winner of the Under 18 title considering i was 17 years and 350 days old
    EDIT: Depends on whether the definition of under 18 is at beginning of calendar year, date of tournament or end of calendar year.
    If you claim is based on clearing the bar by 15 days and on a definition of "probably" as "p > 0.5" then you might be mistaken. I would think you would only need around 17 other (17-year-old) champions before p > 0.5 that someone cleared the bar by less than 15 days and since (as near as I can tell from post #63) the title has been held for almost 50 instances (?) and has had at least 30 champions or joint-champions then your claim is on shaky ground. (BTW For 29 other champions your p-value is around 0.3 but not all of those champions may have been 17 when they won).

    Edit: Darn, just realised I was assuming champions was always 17. That is probably wrong but perhaps there have been 17 or more champions who were age 17 at the time of winning... So I guess we need more information to assess your claim accurately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Peirce View Post
    EDIT: Depends on whether the definition of under 18 is at beginning of calendar year, date of tournament or end of calendar year.
    It is defined from the beginning of the calendar year, thus someone is under 18 if they have not yet turned 18 as of 1 January.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    Edit: Darn, just realised I was assuming champions was always 17. That is probably wrong but perhaps there have been 17 or more champions who were age 17 at the time of winning... So I guess we need more information to assess your claim accurately.
    Prior to 2005 a champion would nearly always be 16 or 17 on 1 Jan of the year they won, since those who were 15 or younger would normally have played in and won a lower division. Playing in a higher division was allowed but not common (trivia question: which Chesschat poster came second to Oriol in the U18 in 1997 at the age of ten?)

    From 2005 on any player who was 12 or over on 1 Jan of the year they won could only play in the U18. Hence the five Alastair Dyer wins in a row.
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    Actually, perhaps the definition has varied over time. I turned 18 a few days into 1990 (first year uni) so if the definition allowed for me playing in the U18 that year, it's surprising that I did not even consider doing so, and yet I certainly don't remember being aware of any option of playing.

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    After playing another weekend of mostly bad chess where I somehow managed not to lose a game I thought I'd compile some statistics on undefeated players in the Tasmanian Championships.

    Counting only years when there has been a tournament rather than a match, there have been 14 years with no undefeated players, 47 years with one, 18 years with two and three with three. The three with three were 1984, 1991 and 2007.

    Six of the cases with no undefeated players happened in the early years of the event (1925-1936). There have only been five such cases since the early 1950s - 1968, 1978, 1981, 1990 and 1996. It's likely that the Swiss system makes such events less common than the round robin systems used before.

    There are five cases of a player being undefeated without being at least equal second - 1984 (Derek Roebuck =3rd-4th), 1991 (Kevin Bonham =4th-5th), 2007 (Nigel Frame 3rd), 2008 (Kevin Bonham =4th-10th), 2010 (David Small =4th-7th).

    There are only two cases where there was an undefeated player but the winner was defeated - 1998 (Kevin Bonham +4=3 but Mike Stubbs +6-1) and 2001 (Marcel Rothlisberger +3=5 but Kevin Bonham +6=1-1).

    Two players were undefeated while winning only one game - Neville Ledger (=2nd 1975) and Kevin Bonham (=4th 1991). Bonham's sole win in his debut appearance was on forfeit after five consecutive draws.

    44 players have gone undefeated of whom 39 were Tasmanian Champions at some stage of their life if not necessarily at that specific tournament. Of the rest two have never been eligible for the title and three have never (yet) held it. Geoffrey Parr 1956 was undefeated in winning the tournament but lost the playoff; the other two are Roebuck and Small.

    The most frequently undefeated players have been Otto Weber 12 times, Kevin Bonham 8 times, James Henri, Simon Browne and Tony Dowden each 5 times. 11 of Weber's 12 cases were wins (all outright) with eight of those being picket fences, compared to Bonham who won in only 4 of those 8 cases (one of those tied) and only one was a picket fence.

    Of the 15 players who have at some time gone undefeated without winning the title in that year, only Kevin Bonham 4 times, Simon Browne 3 times (in a row!) and Neville Ledger twice have done so more than once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Records updated.

    In a sure sign that the last days are upon us the TCA has approved the creation of a Tasmanian Transfer Championship, to be held for the first time later this year. In so doing the TCA has agreed explicitly that this is not a "chess championship" and the winners are not to be called "state chess champions".
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