View Poll Results: what do you think of latham's opposition to a Citizen Initiated Referendum?

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    Latham's new listening policy

    Latham said that if he was PM, he would have more referendums to let the people make the decisions on the major issues. The republican referendum will be an example of this.

    However he said that he will only use referendums for major decisions, and also have Cabinet meeting all around australia, and force all his cabinet MPs to listen to a town hall meeting in these places.

    Latham also said that he is against the Citizen Initiated Referendums (CIR) as in California and Switzerland, as it is will only be adantagoeus to those with big money who can launch these CIR for their pet issues

    Something that might interest people in this BB, is latham saying that the Government will have internet chat rooms and BBs, that it will monitor to get feedback from Australian people on issues

    I agree with all that latham has said, and hope he wins the election now.
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    I think the bit about more referendums is just propaganda. We know that referendums have very low success rates in Australia, so any referendum lacking bipartisan support is extremely likely to be a waste of time.

    CIR is a bad idea and I'm very glad he hasn't supported it. CIR not only plays into the hands of the wealthy but also allows moral conservatives to attempt to overextend democracy into the sphere of personal liberty. It's bad enough when politicians do that, without letting the people do it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I think the bit about more referendums is just propaganda. We know that referendums have very low success rates in Australia, so any referendum lacking bipartisan support is extremely likely to be a waste of time.

    CIR is a bad idea and I'm very glad he hasn't supported it. CIR not only plays into the hands of the wealthy but also allows moral conservatives to attempt to overextend democracy into the sphere of personal liberty. It's bad enough when politicians do that, without letting the people do it as well.
    CIR also provides a forum for extreme group from both sides of the political spectrum. The key is to make sure that the threshold levels are high, so that only causes and issues with mass support will result in a CIR

    Switzerland has CIR and it has been fine for along time :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover
    CIR also provides a forum for extreme group from both sides of the political spectrum. The key is to make sure that the threshold levels are high, so that only causes and issues with mass support will result in a CIR
    I'm not convinced. Minorities are often very committed. Majorities aren't. (And in any case, since both minorities and majorities can be needlessly illiberal, I don't see the point.)

    Switzerland has CIR and it has been fine for along time :p
    California has it and it nearly bankrupted the place. Australia, like the US, simply lacks the political maturity to use it properly. Switzerland benefits from being divided into very small units, and from having a very high level of political participation and education in its population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover
    I agree with all that latham has said, and hope he wins the election now.
    Shame. Would have been a man who defined a generation. But instead we settled for the next Labor government which bankrupted it.
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    It's a scary thought actually, that Gillard is now so bad that Latham would have been better. Never occurred to me in those terms before.

    Spooky coincidence: I noticed this thread somewhere yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    It's a scary thought actually, that Gillard is now so bad that Latham would have been better. Never occurred to me in those terms before.

    Spooky coincidence: I noticed this thread somewhere yesterday.
    At least Latham's policies may not have been corrupted in the bedroom

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    At least Latham's policies may not have been corrupted in the bedroom
    What on earth are you talking about? (Do we really want to know?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    What on earth are you talking about? (Do we really want to know?)
    well seeing you asked I can't be censored! Who does Julia share her bedroom with? Who has funded her overseas trips for "study" to where? what job did her partner get and with who after she became PM. etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    Sometimes you have to think like Axiom
    Parrotting sensationalist rubbish for which there is no evidence is not thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Parrotting sensationalist rubbish for which there is no evidence is not thinking.
    all those things are true and sharing the bed with a man as well would you believe

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