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    Deprogramming Ignosheep [was: THE INFORMATION WAR]

    I welcome serious discussions on the big picture issues raised at www.*******s.com


    Is there a NWO one world government agenda by the elite?
    try these for quotes! http://www.911kemet.co.uk/nwoquotes.html


    Is mainstream media really covering the important stories? of course not!

    so lets go on a ride into discovery, a ride into truth,........but i warn you, you will need a strong constitution,to stomach the sheer horrific gravity of THE FACTS.


    If you prefer ignorant bliss, look away, if you have courage and a thirst for empowering knowledge, join us here in discussion.

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    kick off!

    A couple of questions:-
    1) how are wide open american borders,reconciled with the war on terror?
    2) why can illegal immigrants into the usa, take out bank loans without i.d paperwork?(topic aired right now on fox news!)

    so is the govt running the country for ITS people or for some other agenda?... the global corporations/banks perhaps?

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    I'll pick the second one for now - don't think I'm ready for another round of war chat just at the mo. So

    Why can illegal immigrants into the usa, take out bank loans without i.d. paperwork?


    First, I haven't read up on this issue, and I will go to your source (info wars?) and do so. However, what's immediately clear for me is separating the two issues, viz:

    - Illegal immigrants transacting in any form
    - The process of obtaining credit via regulated bodies without ID


    Second, there will be the issue (as I hope to address in all topics in this thread) of ratifying or debunking the conspiracy theory behind each of the cited phenomena. This I believe is the point of the thread. Not so much that the oddities exist, but more "what is the REAL reason for their existence", yes?

    Before I head of to info wars (one foot out the door), I'd offer the following:
    - Are the illegals known by the banks to be illegals?
    - Or are the banks being ID duped?
    - Are the banks first tier banks, (higher corporate governance) or are we talking about private or second tier lenders?

    Finally, may I ask what is the point of this topic? Are you suggesting a greater big brother, blind eye, feed the junkie theory?
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    Alex Jones daily 3hr radio show

    Alex Jones daily 3hr radio show,streamed free continually 24/7
    TUNE IN! www.*******s.com

    The central thesis is that there is no real representative democracy,with both major parties at the the behest of global bankers/global corporations,and that this has been the plan of this elite since early 1700s!

    The two apparant incongruences i raised above highlight this non representative government. ie. if there is a real war on terror,then logically you would close the borders tight,and on this point it is clear that the 30 million illegal immigrants,encouraged by no i.d bank loans (from bank of america amongst other major banks) at the benefit of the corporations(cheap labour) at the expense of existing tax paying citizens(drain on health/educ.lower wages etc).

    Notice it is the countries that refuse to join in the central banking system,that are targeted ,like iraq,iran,nth kor,venezuala? Notice the inconsistent,illogical,spurious and false 'official' rationales for targeting these states.



    One cannot look at any one aspect in isolation,one needs to study many diverse areas,to be able to see the whole picture.

    Aspects such as the state controlled media,history of banking,the fed reserve,the rothschilds,rockerfellers,history of false flag terror,history of tyranny,human psychology,rise of the technology surveilance police state,current events-forming of larger trade/state blocks,media corps.

    This is where www.*******s.com is a great starting point in tryng to join the dots........whose roots come from The John Birch Society, Lyndon Larouche.

    We live in a unique time in history. For the first time we have the technology to enslave us (see d.rockerfellers documented admission, that microchipping humans is a goal!, its already happening on small trial basis now!~ wheres your mainstream media on this??)...But we also have for the first time in history ,the ultimate information and connecting network-the internet!....which gives man the chance en masse to not only become informed and see through the facade but also organise a defence.


    Davos Switzerland , journalist:
    "Has newscorp managed to shape the agenda of the war in Iraq?" Rupert Murdoch "no i dont think so, we tried!" ......."WE TRIED "!!!!( Keith Obermannn show MSNBC,listen to discussion on this now on Alex Jones radio show)
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    My real Beef is...

    I ask myself ,"what is your real beef axiom" and i know its the fact that it is the grossly ill-informing media, and this really gets under my skin......knowing the masses dont even get the information ,to make any real discernments or judgements,being manipulated by lies and distortions strikes at the very heart of my psyche.
    Rupert Murdoch bemoans the rise of the new media at the cost of the old media!

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    There are a lot of statements and inferences that we're going to disagree on. So, we'll have to go piecemeal, OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    There is no real representative democracy, with both major parties at the the behest of global bankers/ global corporations
    What evidence do you have for this claim?

    ... this has been the plan of this elite since early 1700s!
    Just give me a rough profile of 'The Elite' please.

    ie. if there is a real war on terror, then logically you would close the borders tight
    1. There certainly is a 'conflict/ war' against 'terrorists'. Are you claiming there isn't?
    2. Closing borders doesn't necessarily follow. Part of the policy is also to keep things as normal as possible. Once train bombings became a thing, targeted democracies didn't close down all train services.
    3. Are you saying that the US does not want to close down their borders and that their attempts to do so are a sham?

    and on this point it is clear that the 30 million illegal immigrants, encouraged by no i.d bank loans (from bank of america amongst other major banks)
    Would you provide a link for me to look at? Not a half hour program though. Something that would take me 5 minutes to assess. I'm sure a credible source exists somewhere that will take no longer than 5 minutes or so.

    at the benefit of the corporations (cheap labour) at the expense of existing tax paying citizens(drain on health/educ.lower wages etc)
    Certainly an ugly side of capitalism can be labour exploitation. But I'm yet to see a link between exploitation of labour (which I agree exists) and its role in a greater conspiracy.

    ... The countries that refuse to join in the central banking system, that are targeted, like iraq, iran, nth kor,venezuala?
    You have the advantage here. I'll have to bone up. Do you have an authoritative link. I'm happy to go look.

    Notice the inconsistent, illogical, spurious and false 'official' rationales for targeting these states.
    Who targets them? Please be specific. What are the dodgy rationales?

    One cannot look at any one aspect in isolation, one needs to study many diverse areas, to be able to see the whole picture.
    Certainly looking at things in isolation can be a problem, but I'd offer that when one starts bringing together a number of seemingly unrelated facts (if indeed they are facts), then the likliehoood of a calculation problem increases! And I might say, involves exponentially increasing quantities of people to be part of the conspiracy.

    Aspects such as the state controlled media, history of banking, the fed reserve, the rothschilds, rockerfellers, history of false flag terror, history of tyranny, human psychology, rise of the technology surveilance police state, current events-forming of larger trade/ state blocks, media corps.
    Respectfully, this isn't a sentence and says nothing.

    We live in a unique time in history
    All times in history are unique.

    For the first time we have the technology to enslave us (see d.rockerfellers documented admission, that microchipping humans is a goal!, its already happening on small trial basis now!
    So? The same argument could have beeen made about issuing birth certificates when a few centuries back, they didn't. Anyway, is this microchipping going to become mandatory? Who says?

    But we also have for the first time in history, the ultimate information and connecting network-the internet!....which gives man the chance en masse to not only become informed and see through the facade but also organise a defence.
    Excellent. But doesn't your theory (I imagine) mean that 'The Elite' will seek to kill off either you, Info Wars or even the internet?

    Davos Switzerland, journalist: "Has newscorp managed to shape the agenda of the war in Iraq?" Rupert Murdoch "No i dont think so, we tried!" ......."WE TRIED "!!!!
    Funnny! But if Murdoch was part of the conspiracy, why would he admit it? Or is this reverse psychology? Honestly, if Murdoch had denied it, you would have called him a liar. Given that you would have attacked him for either a positive or a negative response, you can't rely on any response to prove a point.
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    fg- r u trapped in the false left/right paradigm?

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    Axiom, Axiom, Axiom.

    Truth starts at the local level.
    is this forum ,local enough for you?
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    Admit who you are, tell everyone about your guitar playing inabilities. Then build some trust for serious engagement about serious issues with real people.
    do you prefer poker or chess?
    (play the goddam board position!, im wearing mirror sunglasses anyway!)

    Quote Originally Posted by firegoat7
    The alternative is to wallow in reactionary over hype trying to find simple answers to complicated questions. The choice is yours.

    cheers Fg7
    To the contrary , i , in fact paint a complex picture to fit the diverse array of facts, a picture that has required years of study of the multitude of disciplines required to get a grip on this all pervasive analysis.It is for you to decide whether to examine and question your socialist/communist viewpoint in the context of real life human history as a function of human sociology and psychology., rather than the expected knee jerk evasive distractive obsfucation. all too familiar amongst the fixed closed minded...........fg, take the challenge ,read the material, do our own verification,investigaion,study,and analysis yourself, then im all to happy to engage in analysis 'of the position', otherwise youre playing a new and foreign game blindfolded , which is no help to anyone.

    refer http://www.greaterthings.com/Conspiracy/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    There are a lot of statements and inferences that we're going to disagree on. So, we'll have to go piecemeal, OK?
    best way


    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    What evidence do you have for this claim?
    the fact that govt refuses to acquiesce to reasonable demands of its constituents eg.- open borders, 30 million illegal immigrants,a north american union, trans texas corridor(owned by spanish/australian company Centra!), continued war in iraq,national id card, to name a few.


    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Just give me a rough profile of 'The Elite' please.
    13 richest families(each's worth in the trillions) including rockerfellers,rothschilds,carnegies, their vehicles of power- the bilderberg group,tri lateral commission,council fo foreign relations, amongst others.




    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    1. There certainly is a 'conflict/ war' against 'terrorists'. Are you claiming there isn't?.
    I am claiming its a total beat up, close to a total sham........i dont deny the existence of violent jihadists and the odd aggrieved mother of a shot palestinian son exploding themselves in a tel aviv cafe......but all major terrorist acts are false flag events(9/11,7/7,okla all occuring on days of drills!)
    .....again here a history of govt false flag terror, from northwoods,gulf of tonkin incident to us liberty attack is useful for context, see michael meacher british MP!, DAVID SHAYLER EX MI6, martin ingram(book:'Stakeknife') ex mi5 , stating that even 70% of IRA TERROR WAS FALSE FLAG!........There is much to study here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    2. Closing borders doesn't necessarily follow. Part of the policy is also to keep things as normal as possible. Once train bombings became a thing, targeted democracies didn't close down all train services.
    normal as possible???? wide open borders??? 30 million illegals???
    i contend ,the high levels know there is no real significant credible threat,thats why, and they are at the behest of cheap labour seeking corps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    3. Are you saying that the US does not want to close down their borders and that their attempts to do so are a sham?
    absolutely without question........further reading of and research using www.*******s.com will provide a crystal clear picture of this reality.



    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Would you provide a link for me to look at? Not a half hour program though. Something that would take me 5 minutes to assess. I'm sure a credible source exists somewhere that will take no longer than 5 minutes or so.
    see links in post below

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Certainly an ugly side of capitalism can be labour exploitation. But I'm yet to see a link between exploitation of labour (which I agree exists) and its role in a greater conspiracy.
    surely to navigate around the will of the tax paying citizens , must require some sort of conspiracy to meet their aims? all polls show vast majority in southern states do not want the mass illegal migration!


    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Certainly looking at things in isolation can be a problem, but I'd offer that when one starts bringing together a number of seemingly unrelated facts (if indeed they are facts), then the likliehoood of a calculation problem increases! And I might say, involves exponentially increasing quantities of people to be part of the conspiracy.
    you would be correct in a linear sense, however , i contend that a study of human history,psychology,sociology,anthropology,history of money/banking,wars,modes of political paradigms,mechanics of power,investigative analysis of current events, ability to recognise patterns,and an ability to join the multitude of dots to form a convincing picture of reality is a more accurate description of the task at hand.




    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    All times in history are unique.
    indeed, this one peculiarly so..- with the mass information and connectivity of the internet, along with high tech ability to track/control humans..mostly human history has not been a battle between the artificial left and right, but a battle between freedom and tyranny......this old battle now on a very new battlefield, an info war, if you will ! www.*******s.com "there is a war on for your mind"



    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    So? The same argument could have beeen made about issuing birth certificates when a few centuries back, they didn't. Anyway, is this microchipping going to become mandatory? Who says?
    who says birth certificates were mandatory? i refer you to a professor at reading university ,trialing 200 students with inserted microchip right now!, also barcelona nightclub making it 'cool' for patrons to have internal microchip ,to recieve easy entry and discounted drinks!, it will be marketed as the cool must have addition to all young 'hipsters' you can just imagine the brainwashing advertising, only 'pariahs' will refuse etc........it is openly admittted as a goal by d rockerfeller to eventually microchip all humans


    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Excellent. But doesn't your theory (I imagine) mean that 'The Elite' will seek to kill off either you, Info Wars or even the internet?
    they know if they cut off one head , a thousand new ones will grow, not too mention the martyr effect........they are running scared..WE ARE ON THE MARCH,THE EMPIRE IS ON THE RUN!



    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Funnny! But if Murdoch was part of the conspiracy, why would he admit it? Or is this reverse psychology? Honestly, if Murdoch had denied it, you would have called him a liar. Given that you would have attacked him for either a positive or a negative response, you can't rely on any response to prove a point.
    COMMENTS ON MSNBC mainstream usa tv news, suggested that it was murdoch slipping up in frustration at the decline of his old media, in the face of new media power,...but im not so sure..like dennis potter(pennies from heaven ) i detest and loathe the weasel murdoch, and dont trust him at all,but for him to go on record saying "we tried to shape the agenda in iraq" echoes william colby 1954 head of cia saying "we control all the major media in the country"(paraphrased,i can find exact quote)
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    Firestarters/resources

    BANKING http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/n.../01/104547.php

    POPULATION CONTROL http://nwo-warning.tripod.com/UN_population_Control.htm

    CURIOUS ELITE HISTORY http://www.ariescomputer.com/illuminati/about/ill2.html

    CURRENT CONTEXT NEWS www.*******s.com

    MEDIA http://members.tripod.com/american_almanac/warfare.htm
    HISTORY OF GOVT FALSE FLAG TERROR dvd "Terrorstorm' (google video)
    OVERVIEW http://www.pushhamburger.com/going%20going%20gone.gif
    LAROUCHE http://www.larouchepub.com/radio/archive_2007.html
    RESISTANCE MANIFESTO http://theresistancemanifesto.com/

    MIND CONTROL (Dont scoff, its very real ,see mengele's work, sydney gottlieb, tavistock institute) http://www.greatdreams.com/mind_control.htm

    ..just some starting points......now down to the reading,investigation,study,research........BE A GOOD DETECTIVE!
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    further material

    also of some relevant interest is the

    History of Piracy (see documentary on pirate capt morgan, made governor of jamaica!) same principles of piracy (ie destroying and looting) still evident in modern power plays(eg.corporate piracy,and miltary ind,complex driven wars)

    and the

    History of Slavery (see how manuels of slave handling used by romans were then used by europeans in the african slave trade to the americas) again i would contend that similar systems of control are still in place today.

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    Engage the material !

    fg,this thread is for those willing to do some work in researching the news stories ignored by mainstream media,not for those simply unwilling to study the material and dismiss it out of hand .
    heres a simple question for you-
    fg- why do you think usa borders are wide open,letting in millions of illegals,in time of the great threat from 'terrorism'?

    and heres 3 current news stories ,you wont otherwise hear about:-
    http://www.*******s.com/articles/bus...tnessed_before

    http://www.*******s.com/articles/nwo...ation_meetings.

    http://www.*******s.com/articles/imm...r_illegals.htm <......this one for HD.

    all you need to do is a little cross referencing and corroberation via google,to support the credibility of such reports

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    1. There certainly is a 'conflict/ war' against 'terrorists'. Are you claiming there isn't?
    Would you mind defining "terrorist" and/or "terrorism" for me? BTW, make sure it doesn't cast an umbrella wide enough to cover the "shock and awe" campain, amoungst other civilised western inventions.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Would you mind defining "terrorist" and/or "terrorism" for me?
    I checked on the web first with a view to assessing whether I could agree with those:

    #1 One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. The use of a civilian disguise while on operations exempts the perpetrator from protection under the Geneva Conventions, and consequently if captured they
    are liable for prosecution as common criminals.

    www.aeroflight.co.uk/definitions.htm

    #2 Use should be restricted specifically to references to people and nongovernmental organizations planning and executing acts of violence against civilian or noncombatant targets.
    http://www.careerjournaleurope.com/c.../glossary.html

    Both of these are consistent with my meaning.

    BTW, make sure it doesn't cast an umbrella wide enough to cover the "shock and awe" campain, amoungst other civilised western inventions.
    Easy.
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    Alex Jones Radio Show

    Anyone who listens to at least 2 alex jones radio shows,does a bit of verification research,i look forward to hearing your opinion.......for simplicity ,take the issue that mosts interests you,and make that a focal point to start with.

    THE RADIO SHOW IS 3HRS,6 days a week!,some great guests(please ignore the annoying ads) streamed continually 24/7, its free, just need real player or windows player.

    Simply click on listen at top right corner of www.*******s.com

    if you have a curious inquiring mind,i cannot imagine you getting nothing from your efforts....and even total skeptics could at least be entertained.

    i have studied this area for about 2 yrs,well over a 1000 hrs of reading,investigating and studying..and the more i did the more i verified the substance and truth of alex jones' claims....and would welcome some informed discussion on these matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    I checked on the web first with a view to assessing whether I could agree with those:

    #1 One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives,
    I know someone who meets that requirement. I'll give you a hint: His name starts with "G", and ends with "eorge W Bush." Come to think of it, sounds like any force in any war.

    while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. The use of a civilian disguise while on operations exempts the perpetrator from protection under the Geneva Conventions, and consequently if captured they are liable for prosecution as common criminals.www.aeroflight.co.uk/definitions.htm
    Oh yes, how could I forget. Dubbya is following the Geneva convention this week. After a court told him that he had to.

    Back to the issue, it seems from this definition that the only difference between a "terrorist" and a "soldier" is his garb.

    #2 Use should be restricted specifically to references to people and nongovernmental organizations
    So it's only "terrorism" if a government isn't behind it?

    planning and executing acts of violence against civilian or noncombatant targets.
    http://www.careerjournaleurope.com/c.../glossary.html
    So if we call it collateral damage, then it doesn't qualify?
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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