View Poll Results: Do you feel that Peter Parr's comments treat subjects with personal prejudice?

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    Subjective Chess Reporting?

    Having read Peter Parr's comments today in the Sydney Morning Herald, do you feel that he reports things in a subjective manner that sometimes compromises the event or person that he is reporting on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Wise_Man
    Having read Peter Parr's comments today in the Sydney Morning Herald, do you feel that he reports things in a subjective manner that sometimes compromises the event or person that he is reporting on?
    The premise is incorrect, I haven't read the article. Is it on-line anywhere? There is a site with an archive but it doesn't seem to have today's column (they aren't dated but it's clear from the subject matter that the most recent isn't today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Wise_Man
    Having read Peter Parr's comments today in the Sydney Morning Herald, do you feel that he reports things in a subjective manner that sometimes compromises the event or person that he is reporting on?
    Yes, he's being doing it for years.

    For example, he sometimes adds rating performances:

    1. Alex Wohl if doing well
    2. Jones family member if not doing well

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    well spotted...

    well spotted...

    Example 1: Lee Jones

    Example 2: St George defeating North Sydney...

    Let others decide for themselves...

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    Subjectivity and a bit of bias is something you're always going to get in journalism. Without having seen the articles myself I can't really comment though, any examples online?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthasar
    Subjectivity and a bit of bias is something you're always going to get in journalism. Without having seen the articles myself I can't really comment though, any examples online?
    Its probably worth noting that there are two types of journalist.
    1. the person who does it for a living (eg newspaper reporter)and
    2. the one is a participent and/or organiser in a sport and supplies materiel to the media.

    In the latter case the person is not independent and therefore it is highly likely that his/her view will be coloured to at least some degree.

    Even in the case of 1. above there are such things as left wing newspapers etc but on non-political issues the reporting may well be as fair as you could hope for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilD707
    Its probably worth noting that there are two types of journalist.
    1. the person who does it for a living (eg newspaper reporter)and
    2. the one is a participent and/or organiser in a sport and supplies materiel to the media.

    In the latter case the person is not independent and therefore it is highly likely that his/her view will be coloured to at least some degree.

    Even in the case of 1. above there are such things as left wing newspapers etc but on non-political issues the reporting may well be as fair as you could hope for.
    If the reporting is biased on political issues, why wouldn't it be biased on non-political issues as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    If the reporting is biased on political issues, why wouldn't it be biased on non-political issues as well?
    Well it might be.
    But there would be less "motivation" to be biased in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilD707
    Well it might be.
    But there would be less "motivation" to be biased in many cases.
    What motivates people to be biased? Their own opinions, preferences and, sometimes, vested interest. Can be easily found in any area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    What motivates people to be biased? Their own opinions, preferences and, sometimes, vested interest. Can be easily found in any area.
    1.Ego
    2.Reputation(professional and personal)
    3.Friendships and loyalties
    4.Self interest

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    Everybody is biased.

    If you have a personal point if view on anything, you are biased one way or another. The idea that newspapers/tv stations/politicians should be totally unbiased is a load of horse shit.

    What is a problem is when bias leads to false or misleading reporting of facts.

    Peter Parr is not a reporter. He is a columnist. It is an important difference, as columns typically contain a lot of opinion.

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    Here is the link for the column in question.

    http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/news.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Wise_Man
    well spotted...

    Example 1: Lee Jones

    Example 2: St George defeating North Sydney...

    Let others decide for themselves...

    Wise
    thanks Sutek. My response for what it's worth...
    1) Lee Jones: a case of letting the facts speak for themselves. He doesn't add any comment to it. Still, there does seem to be an unkind excess of detail. I'll be barracking for Lee in his next tournament after all the flack he's received recently!

    2) If it's true that St George outrated their opponents by that amount, then it's just useful information for the reader to assess the tournament I'd say. I just thought St George must be a strong club. So can't say I see that as negative or biased reporting.

    I note he follows it up by saying that "The popular 7 round St. George Leagues Club Summer Open tournament starts tomorrow evening."
    Last edited by Watto; 07-12-2006 at 01:33 PM.

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    I can't see any issue with his reporting of the match. As for the Commonwealth Championships, there was a bit of an excess of detail, but hardly anything to get worked up over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    I can't see any issue with his reporting of the match.
    That's cos you don't know the full story!

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