View Poll Results: Who will win?

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  • Drawn series (Australia retain) [CORRECT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Smith has been replaced by Marnus Labuschagne as a concussion sub for what little remains of this Test. The concept of like for like replacement seems a bit dubious when the player being replaced is so talented.
    Well if they had another Smith he would already be in the side.

    I switched on very late and saw Labuschagne batting - I initially thought I'd fallen through a time warp into next week but after a few seconds I worked it out.

    It's very sensible to have this rule but a bit of an anomaly that if you tear a hamstring (for example) you just have to hobble between wickets and the team loses a bowler.

    A couple of questions came to mind:

    If Smith hadn't been able to resume in the first innings could a substitute have taken his place then? I imagine so, to be consistent with the reason for the rule. In that case there would be twelve players on the scorecard - is the last to bat deemed to be number 12 for statistical purposes?

    After doing his muscle, if Anderson had been hit in the head while batting at Birmingham could England have then had a substitute bowler for the second innings? (Or is a concussion substitute only allowed to bat?)
    Last edited by Ian Rout; 19-08-2019 at 01:09 PM. Reason: Typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    If Smith hadn't been able to resume in the first innings could a substitute have taken his place then? I imagine so, to be consistent with the reason for the rule. In that case there would be twelve players on the scorecard - is the last to bat deemed to be number 12 for statistical purposes?

    After doing his muscle, if Anderson had been hit in the head while batting at Birmingham could England have then had a substitute bowler for the second innings? (Or is a concussion substitute only allowed to bat?)
    A concussion sub who replaces a recognised bowler can definitely bowl. If, eg, a batting allrounder replaces someone who is not a recognised bowler then the match referee has discretion to ban the substitute from bowling. I'm not sure if Labuschagne was allowed to bowl while replacing Smith or not but in any case he didn't. (A lot of grey areas have been solved by captains agreeing not to use someone as a bowler).

    I haven't been able to find info on the rules for a concussion substitute replacing an injured batter during the same Test innings but the WBBL of all things has the following:

    2.8. If, at the time of activation, the Concussion Substitute is replacing
    a:
    2.8.1. Concussed Player that has “retired not out” during his/
    her team’s current batting innings, the Concussion
    Substitute may only bat in that innings (where possible)
    pursuant to clause 25 as though he/she was a batter
    returning to his/her innings; or
    NOTE: For the purposes of scoring, the Concussion
    Substitute will be entered as an additional batter and
    his/her innings will be considered separate to the
    innings of the Concussed Player (who will remain
    “Retired – Not out”). However, the fielding side still only
    needs to take 10 wickets to complete the batting
    innings.

    ...which could potentially mean 12 batters batting in the same innings.
    Last edited by Kevin Bonham; 19-08-2019 at 01:29 PM.

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    Not sure I've ever noticed so many batsmen taking 20+ balls to get off the mark as in this series.

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    England might have just lost their chance to recover the Ashes in two and a half hours. We'll see.

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    I am a little confused.

    I woke up this morning hearing that that the Aussies had been scuttled for 170 odd.

    I've just tuned in to the telly, and the Aussies are batting again at 73/3 with a 185 lead...

    What happened to the English first innings?

    Did they declare for 0 and effectively choose to "enforce the follow on"?
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    Labuchagne doing well again and must play even if Smith comes back next test.

    Ponting asked Nasser Hussain who would make way and Nasser said only half flippantly "give Wade the gloves".

    Couldn't agree more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    England might have just lost their chance to recover the Ashes in two and a half hours. We'll see.
    Or not. Weird game this.

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    Stokes, what a freak. Again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Stokes, what a freak. Again!
    England scored 67 in their first innings and almost 300 more in their second - it makes no sense!

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    The 67 was the lowest winning all-out innings score since three lower ones in the 1880s!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    The 67 was the lowest winning all-out innings score since three lower ones in the 1880s!
    I was wondering about that - it's obviously rare for a team to win after being bowled out for less than 100 in the first innings.

    Interesting to compare the successful last wicket stand of Stokes/Leach with the very similar stand of Perera/Fernando for Sri Lanka from earlier in the year (already considered one of the greatest ever). S/L were chasing a total of 359, and scored 76, with Stokes finishing on 135 and Leach making 1. P/F were chasing 304, and scored 78, with Perera finishing on 153 and Fernando making 6 (with 4 overthrows).

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    Anyway at 1-1, the series is very much alive.
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    Disturbing rumours of a possible Marsh brother recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Disturbing rumours of a possible Marsh brother recall.
    Play Starc as an all-rounder.
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