poll on correspondence chess

[qpawn]

Here is a poll on cheating in correspondence chess.
Please be honest; if you think that CC is a waste of time becuase of Fritz then say so.

[bergil]

Here is a poll on cheating in correspondence chess.
Please be honest; if you think that CC is a waste of time becuase of Fritz then say so.

Where is the poll?

Edit : Poll appeared after my post.

[qpawn]

One fresh hot poll with barbecue sauce.
PIPING HOT.

[bergil]

One fresh hot poll with barbecue sauce.
PIPING HOT.

I Voted.

[qpawn]

So where's my tip for delivering you that piping hot poll?

In the economy of rodent I survive purely on tips...

[bergil]

So where's my tip for delivering you that piping hot poll?

In the economy of rodent I survive purely on tips...

Be good to your mother and use deodorant.

[ElevatorEscapee]

Bergil & qpawn, get a room!

Of course the idea of computer assistance puts me off Correspondence Chess, I find it totally abhorrent!

To me, the idea of player versus player is inherent to the game of chess.

Over the board, players are not allowed to access computers, or other sources during their games... to do so would be considered cheating!

So why should correspondence chess should be treated differently?

I think this stems from allowing Correspondence Chess Players to access openings manuals during their games... which was considered appropriate because it would be too difficult to enforce a law preventing players from doing so.

Is the hideous "computer assistance allowed" rule solely because "cheating" in such a manner is too difficult to prove?

If this is the case, then I think players should be trusted on their honour and honesty!

In my opinion, there should be no computer assistance allowed, whatsoever, unless the tournament entry conditiosn specifically instruct otherwise.

Seriously, why should I bother spending 50c per move to send letters to several chessplayers who may happen to be running Fritz, when I could buy Fritz myself, and play chess against it much more cheaply in the long run?

[jase]

Perhaps you could post a genuine poll, without the loading in the question and the options? Otherwise just state your opinion.

[ElevatorEscapee]

Perhaps you could post a genuine poll, without the loading in the question and the options? Otherwise just state your opinion.

Well spotted Jase! The comment "Cheating with computers" is designed to extract a negative response! In fact, under the current international laws, using computers is not necessarly considered "cheating" at all!

My stance is that it should be.

[qpawn]

I disagree; I think that the poll doesn't provoke a particular response.

Yes, computer use is permittted in ICCF games but not in some other international email chess sites [ IECG I believe].

[ElevatorEscapee]

Why not reword the poll then cupee, and remove the word "cheating"?

The word "cheating" assumes a misuse of computers to "cheat" (ie do something against the rules), rather than a legal use of computers to assist analysis (which is currently not forbidden by the rules).

[Garvinator]

do you still get to use a private bathroom and toilet, or will it be locked

[Kevin Bonham]

I didn't vote because I disagree with all the options. I agree with jase that the poll is loaded. No matter how you vote some kind of negative view of computer use in CC is given.

I like the idea that there should be two forms of CC, each considered equally legitimate. One of these should measure the ability of humans using nothing but their mind (and permitted texts etc) playing the best games that they can. Another should measure the ability of humans to do the best that they can whatever the tools at their disposal. The aim in the latter case being an obvious one: the quest for chess perfection.

The search for perfect truth in a variation is an important enough goal to justify there being some tournaments in which people throw whatever they can get at it - computer help, GM advice, whatever.

[MichaelBaron]

These days, correspondence chess is simply a variation of the so-called "advanced chess" where players can consult fritz, rybka etc betweenthe moves. I am almost certain that all of the top CC players are using computers extensively.

[Desmond]

A similar thread that people might want to check out:

http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=4462