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    Queen sac for mate on move 4!

    Some of the things that happen in junior games are quite hilarious. Tony Sturges informs me that he recently saw this in a junior event:

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    I'm astonished that someone who plays 1.e3 could come up with 3.Be2!

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    lol

    I've never seen this before and won't fall for it now - thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    I'm astonished that someone who plays 1.e3 could come up with 3.Be2!
    macavity and I have both won with 1.e3 in rated games.

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    Under-rated Juniors

    Was either of these juniors under-rated?

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    ...I don't want to go among mad people Alice remarked, "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: we're all mad here. I am mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat ,"or you wouldn't have come here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis_Jessop
    Was either of these juniors under-rated?
    Both unrated actually. Think it was a primary school club tournament.

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    this game needs a name

    This special piece of skill needs a name
    the talent of white deserves fame
    so with historical insight and aclaim
    I crown it the GRECO MATE game


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    qpawn, are you referring to this?

    Greco - NN 1619

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    Or did Greco mention the exact mate from this thread?

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    analogies

    My reference to the Greco mate was only analogical.

    To my knowledge Greco did not find the unique mate sequence used by the juniors

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    Quote Originally Posted by qpawn
    To my knowledge Greco did not find the unique mate sequence used by the juniors
    Oddly enough a Google search for any instance of Bxh5 mate on move 4 came up with nothing. I would be interested to hear of any previous example of this exact mate (or same with e and/or f pawns advanced two squares.)

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    The player responsible for the 4-move mate trap was Piyusha Banneheke, and he informs me (via Tony) that he has also employed it against the Fred!

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    'Ere! Don't knock the Fred. I've analysed a likely line where Black ends up a pawn down for nothing and no worse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles
    'Ere! Don't knock the Fred. I've analysed a likely line where Black ends up a pawn down for nothing and no worse!
    Time for the Chessbase treatment.

    The Fred (1.e4 f5) appears in Chessbase 100 times. I actually expected it to be more than that. The score from white's side is +65=18-17 or 26% for Black. The 64 whites taking the pawn immediately (+42=10-12, 73%) surprisingly fared no better than the 36 not doing so (+23=8-5, 75%).

    The highest rated player playing the Fred in Chessbase files is Aljosa Grosar 2474 who played it against a player of similar rating and lost.

    Six players rated 2000+ have employed the Fred, receiving a win, a draw and two losses. One of the losses was against an unrated player; in the remaining five Black outrated White slightly.

    This game features both the highest rated White loser to the Fred and the highest rated Black winner with it in Chessbase, and it is actually quite an interesting scrap.

    [Event "Miskolc Avas op"]
    [Site "Miskolc"]
    [Date "1999.??.??"]
    [Round "9"]
    [White "Hidegh,Gabor" 2060]
    [Black "Koncz,Lajos" 2000]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [Eco "B00"]
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    1.e3 is a very underrated - and underused - opening move. It can transpose into a lot of stuff that Black might not be prepared for, e.g. reverse Stonewalls, favorable English openings, reverse French Defense, reverse Slav, etc. I've seen Stephen Solomon use it before in tournament play, and I've trotted it out on occasion. Perfectly legit and good for blitz when you want opponents to have to think for themselves instead of rattling off 15 book moves in a row.

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    And speaking of bizarre gambits, I was beaten once in the Australian Open (1984, in Ballarat) by Alan Goldsmith who, against my 1.e4, replied ... h5 2.d4 d5 3. exd5 c6 4.dxc6 e5!?, the Kadaz Gambit (yes, it looks like total rubbish but actually has a name). Black gets all sorts of dangerous development for his pawns. Easy to lose your way, as I found out. Of course, it helps if you're Alan Goldsmith when you brazenly play this sort of stuff!

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