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    Another pairing experiment

    Ok, I'm going to start a little experiment. I am going to create a mock (Fide Swiss Rules) tournament and people can comment on my pairings. I'll be using Swiss Perfect (trial version) and if anyone can be bothered scrutinising my pairings I would appreciate any feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    Ok, I'm going to start a little experiment. I am going to create a mock (Fide Swiss Rules) tournament and people can comment on my pairings. I'll be using Swiss Perfect (trial version) and if anyone can be bothered scrutinising my pairings I would appreciate any feedback.
    will do.

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    I'll come up with a list of "players" in the next couple of days, am a bit busy at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    I'll come up with a list of "players" in the next couple of days, am a bit busy at the moment.
    Can I be the under-rated bunny who wins the tourney with a picket fence please?
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Can I be the under-rated bunny who wins the tourney with a picket fence please?
    No, but one of the players will be named in your honour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    I'll come up with a list of "players" in the next couple of days, am a bit busy at the moment.
    If you want to really test the accuracy of sp pairings, then I would suggest about 20 players or so and 7 to 10 rounds.

    That way you will get a good separation of score groups, therefore having to deal with float issues as well.

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    I'd like to be one of the players. I get the jitters if something is happening without me. I'd be happy to be the middle of the road plonker who gets wiped out, on account of it being close to reality.
    There is no cure for leftism. Its infestation of the host mostly diminishes with age except in the most rabid of specimens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    I'd like to be one of the players. I get the jitters if something is happening without me. I'd be happy to be the middle of the road plonker who gets wiped out, on account of it being close to reality.
    Gareth could almost design it as a mass chesschat tournament

    Ratings:

    Ian Rogers - 7 2599!!
    Igor Goldenberg - 7 2353!!
    George Xie - 40 2316!!
    Leonid Sandler - 7 2310!!
    Michael Baron - 10 2282!
    jeffrei - 0 2278?
    Greg Canfell - 0 2276!!
    Tristan Boyd - 11 2247!!
    drug - 10 2239!!
    Comrade Zukovsky - 0 2226!
    Brett Tindall- 0 2221!
    Brian Jones - 4 2124!!
    Andrew Bird - 25 2098!!
    bobby1972 - 28 2084!!
    macavity - 31 2069!!
    Gareth Charles - 27 2061!!
    paulb - 7 2058!!
    Goughfather - 7 2054!!
    Laura Moylan - 23 2054!!
    Ronald Yu - 7 2043!!
    Jason Hu - 28 2020!!
    Lee Jones - 3 1999!!
    Kerry Stead - 7 1998!!
    Jason Chan - 7 1991!!
    firegoat7 - 0 1942!!
    Kevin Bonham - 6 1941!!
    pballard - 0 1877
    rob - 11 1871!!
    elevatorescapee - 7 1785!
    Ian Rout - 17 1777!!
    Barry Cox - 15 1741!!
    pax - 0 1739?
    Amiel Rosario - 16 1715!!
    Shaun Press - 9 1711!
    Candy Cane - 0 1672!!
    The_Wise_Man - 1 1671!
    Belthaser - 1 1647
    JGB - 0 1640
    David Richards - 0 1639!
    Dozy - 7 1555!!
    starter - 0 1565!
    Arrogant-One - 8 1563!
    Liberace - 0 1541!!
    skip - 0 1534
    Phil Bourke - 8 1500
    Trent Parker - 29 1493!!
    antichrist - 0 1492
    Howard Duggan - 12 1437!!
    Frosty - 5 1435!
    bergil - 30 1434!!
    Scott Colliver - 0 1415?
    Paul Sike - 7 1406!!
    themovingman - 23 1402!!
    AES - 0 1375!
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    Matt Sweeney - 7 1307!!
    Garvin Gray - 18 1253!!
    EGOR - 17 1224!!
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    I was actually thinking of running such a tournament for real but I figured there wouldn't be enough people who would play in it. If I am going to make up the results of the games myself (which is what I intend to do), I would rather not have the mock results be seen to reflect on the actual people in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    I was actually thinking of running such a tournament for real but I figured there wouldn't be enough people who would play in it. If I am going to make up the results of the games myself (which is what I intend to do), I would rather not have the mock results be seen to reflect on the actual people in real life.
    Don't be chicken Gareth, bring it on. Let it reflect on their miserable lives and let all hell break loose.

    CAn A/C play AC? I am going to challenge her to a CC game, thanks for the impetus.

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    Well, here's my list of players. I should make it clear that these experimental results and pairings are by no means intended to realistically replicate real world events. I could have just named the players "1", "2", etc but I thought that would be a bit boring.

    1.|Fischer, Robert||2895|
    2.|Kasparov, Garry||2886|
    3.|Botvinnik, Mikhail||2885|
    4.|Lasker, Emanuel||2878|
    5.|Capablanca, Jose||2877|
    6.|Alekhine, Alexander||2865|
    7.|Karpov, Anatoly||2848|
    8.|Steinitz, Wilhelm||2826|
    9.|Tarrasch, Siegbert||2824|
    10.|Korchnoi, Viktor||2814|
    11.|Smyslov, Vassily||2800|
    12.|Tal, Mikhail||2799|
    13.|Chigorin, Mikhail||2797|
    14.|Najdorf, Miguel||2797|
    15.|Petrosian, Tigran V||2796|
    16.|Bronstein, David||2792|
    17.|Rubinstein, Akiba||2789|
    18.|Keres, Paul||2786|
    19.|Reshevsky, Sammy||2785|
    20.|Nimzovitch, Aron||2780|
    21.|Spassky, Boris||2773|
    22.|Euwe, Max||2769|
    23.|Bogolyubov, Yefim||2768|
    24.|Timman, Jan||2768|
    25.|Schlechter, Carl||2764|
    26.|Fine, Reuben||2762|
    27.|Stahlberg, Gideon||2762|
    28.|Tartakover, Savielly||2761|
    29.|Larsen, Bent||2755|
    30.|Flohr, Salo||2754|
    31.|Polgar, Judit||2746|
    32.|Duras, Oldrich||2743|
    33.|Kashdan, Isaac||2742|
    34.|Eliskases, Erich||2733|
    35.|Khalifman, Alexander||2724|
    36.|Byrne, Robert||2720|
    37.|Kasimdzhanov, Rustam||2708|
    38.|Benko, Pal||2687|
    39.|Browne, Walter||2678|
    40.|Denker, Arnold||2677|
    41.|Showalter, Jackson||2676|
    42.|Canal, Esteban||2675|
    43.|Shamkovich, Leonid||2675|
    44.|Samisch, Friedrich||2665|
    45.|Rossolimo, Nicolas||2663|
    46.|Chiburdanidze, Maia||2661|
    47.|Nehzmetdinov, Rashid||2660|
    48.|Murey, Yakov||2658|
    49.|Dake, Arthur||2655|
    50.|Bukic, Enver||2647|
    51.|Leonhardt, Paul||2639|
    52.|Byrne, Donald||2633|
    53.|Polgar, Zsuzsa||2633|
    54.|Rauzer, Vsevolod||2627|
    55.|Colle, Edgar||2619|
    56.|Xie Jun, ||2619|
    57.|Znosko-Borovsky, Eugene||2613|
    58.|Alexander, Hugh||2610|
    59.|Cramling, Pia||2605|
    60.|Petrosian, Tigran L||2594|
    61.|Lasker, Edward||2583|
    62.|Bonch-Osmolovsky, Mikhail||2577|
    63.|Skembris, Spyridon||2577|
    64.|Nakamura, Hikaru||2563|
    65.|Milner-Barry, P. S.||2552|
    66.|Bednarsky, J||2544|
    67.|Golombek, Harry||2543|
    68.|Polgar, Sofia||2540|
    69.|Polgar, Istvan||2529|
    70.|Cheron, Andre||2521|
    71.|Barden, Leonard||2497|
    72.|Te Kolste, Jan||2497|
    73.|Kosteniuk, Alexandra||2489|
    74.|Skripchenko, Almira||2484|
    75.|Krush, Irina||2478|
    76.|Petrosian, Tigran A||2420|
    77.|Duchamp, Marcel||2413|
    78.|Bogart, Humphrey||Unrated|
    79.|Charles, Ray||Unrated|
    80.|Einstein, Albert||Unrated|
    81.|Oppenheimer, Robert||Unrated|

    The players have been rated according to their highest "historical ratings" given by Jeff Sonas as his chessmetrics site. I am not concerned with the accuracy of his methods of rating, I just wanted some plausible ratings.

    Any feedback on the field? I acknowledge it is a bit top-heavy. It's not very well spread-out either in terms of gaps between each of the players ratings.

    Is 9 rounds an acceptable length for such a tournament?

    EDIT: Bill, how do you get the cross-table etc into that format with the scroll bar thing?
    Last edited by Lucena; 21-06-2006 at 11:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    21.|Spassky, Boris||2773|
    You are too, too kind
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    Is 9 rounds an acceptable length for such a tournament?
    for the numbers of players, i would recommend 11 or more rounds. Will help with proper sorting of the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    for the numbers of players, i would recommend 11 or more rounds. Will help with proper sorting of the field.
    I was considering that actually. In the end my reasoning was something like, "minimum number of rounds needed to spread the scores out with n players is approximately log (base 2) n. We have 80 or so players, log (base 2) 80 is between 6 and 7. So we have a couple of extra rounds just to be on the safe side. Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

    PS If there are no further objections within 1 hour, I'll post the R1 draw at the end of that time.
    Last edited by Lucena; 21-06-2006 at 08:52 PM.

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    ok first tip Gareth for posting cross tables on here, disable smilies. That will get rid of the smiles you see.

    Next, to post the 'fancy' looking tables ie cross tables, standings you see-

    1) Bring up the cross table after round one in sp.
    2) Then go to file - export view - text
    3) Then save your new file in desktop (you can save the new file wherever you like, but you will find it easiest later if it is on the desktop ).
    4) Choose separator space.

    Now you will have to cross table on your desktop as a file.
    5) Double click on the file to open it.
    6) Highlight the whole cross table.
    7) Save a copy of that highlighted cross table using control+c and come back to chesschat
    8) Create a new post in your assigned thread and paste the cross table to the new thread, remember to disable smilies.

    Now to create the 'great' look of the cross table.

    9) Highlight the cross table on chesschat, then in all the options you see above your post, click on #. It will put code before and after your highlights, just in the same way as 'quoting' does.

    Now hit submit reply and you should have the good looking cross table.

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