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    Glicko Protection Unrated Events.

    Idea:

    Each state to have an event or two, that was not rated.

    Advertise it as:

    *An event for rusty returning players who fear a Glicko rating dive.
    *An event where you can play wild speculative chess and not destroy your rating.
    *An event with 10% increase in prize money.

    Question:
    Who would/wouldn't play because it was unrated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHAT
    Idea:

    Each state to have an event or two, that was not rated.

    Advertise it as:

    *An event for rusty returning players who fear a Glicko rating dive.
    *An event where you can play wild speculative chess and not destroy your rating.
    *An event with 10% increase in prize money.

    Question:
    Who would/wouldn't play because it was unrated?
    You should trial this idea at the common man and see what happens.
    No this is silly, the whole premise is silly and very badly written. I'm the senior officer here and I've not had a funny line yet so I'm stopping it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bergil
    You should trial this idea at the common man and see what happens.
    Perhaps next year.

    But before that, I would like to get a feel for how promotable it might be.

    The egalitarian "no big open prize" seems to be a dud. That is why this year the Commonman has a $500 for 1st Open prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHAT
    The egalitarian "no big open prize" seems to be a dud. That is why this year the Commonman has a $500 for 1st Open prize.
    Where are the details?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHAT
    Idea:

    Each state to have an event or two, that was not rated.

    Advertise it as:

    *An event for rusty returning players who fear a Glicko rating dive.
    *An event where you can play wild speculative chess and not destroy your rating.
    *An event with 10% increase in prize money.

    Question:
    Who would/wouldn't play because it was unrated?
    I would happily play unrated events. The ratings have little interest for me at the moment, but I haven't been in oz long
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    Where are the details?
    You should get the email tomorrow. But until then ...

    http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=107373#post107373

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHAT
    Question:
    Who would/wouldn't play because it was unrated?
    I'm playing in a 1 day event in 2 weeks time with 20 min guilloutine (or however you spell it) time controls. I think it will be a blast. I don't think it is rated (no mention on the form) which will be a nice change.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

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    Are there really events that spend 10% of their prizepool in ratings fees?

    I'd be reluctant to pay to play in an unrated event that wasn't blitz.

    There are plenty of other ways for rusty players to work themselves back into form before playing if they are scared of dropping ratings points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    I'm playing in a 1 day event in 2 weeks time with 20 min guilloutine (or however you spell it) time controls. I think it will be a blast. I don't think it is rated (no mention on the form) which will be a nice change.
    doesnt mention that it wont be rated either . I am going to try and find out if it will be rated or not. It should be rated in my opinion. It is completely free to rapid rate tournaments. Leaving tournaments out from rating only increasing the rating problems, in my opinion.

    But it is up to the organisers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Are there really events that spend 10% of their prizepool in ratings fees?....
    Chess Victoria rating fees for a rated tournament are a flat rate of $5 per player per tournament.

    Consider a $50 adult entry fee to a tournament and there's your 10% of prize fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee
    Chess Victoria rating fees for a rated tournament are a flat rate of $5 per player per tournament.

    Consider a $50 adult entry fee to a tournament and there's your 10% of prize fund.
    And in NSW it is a similar story. 7 rounds at 50c each is $3.50. A small club tournament with a $15 entry will pay a quarter of the entry in rating fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee
    Chess Victoria rating fees for a rated tournament are a flat rate of $5 per player per tournament.
    Quote Originally Posted by PHAT
    And in NSW it is a similar story. 7 rounds at 50c each is $3.50.
    That seems a lot to me. Call me naive (or anything as long as it's not Shirley), but that seems a lot.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHAT
    And in NSW it is a similar story. 7 rounds at 50c each is $3.50. A small club tournament with a $15 entry will pay a quarter of the entry in rating fees.
    I thought that NSWCA did not take any rating fee beyond the ACF's and as such 7 rounds at 50c per game (not per player per game) is $1.75 per player?

    For weekenders in Tas ratings fees are about 3-4% of prize pool.

    Club events typically have no entry fees (or prize pool, just trophies) and ratings fees + trophy costs are paid out of a player's club membership.

    I forgot that CV charges a rating fee in excess of the ACF's. Does any other state do so?
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    Sharing the Queensland experience...

    - We have difficulty getting interclub running up here.
    - CAQ is constantly balancing the need between bigger prizes and affordability.
    - Ratings seem to be the be all and end all of everything.

    An exception: Qld Teams Championships
    - A creation of mine, now in its 5th year [yes Barry, 1st p.s.]
    - No Ratings
    - 1 day event
    - Built on team hype - play for club, do it for your mates stuff
    - Clubs chased up actively by me
    - Social atmosphere
    - Trophy and board prizes
    - Marketed as a special event, not just another event
    - Venue rotated between clubs in SE Qld [100klm radius of Brisbane]
    - Entry Fee $10 per player senior, $5 per player junior [often club picks up tab]
    - Arbiter/ organiser donates time [from our Council]
    - Last event of the year
    - Teams play in team colours/ shirts
    - Senior Teams 18+ [Team of 8]
    - Junior Teams 17- [Team of 4]
    - Last year 100 players

    State association makes a small dollar. A fun, successful and memorable day always had by all.
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    I don't really see the point. If you want to play "fun" chess that's fine and there's plenty of that goes on - it just isn't generally done in an organised way.

    If you want to "protect" your rating, though, the best way to do that is to play a lot of rated chess so that any unevenness in results will cancel out, and the reliability factor in your rating, and hence its volatility, is minimised.

    The only real "protection" playing unrated events will give you is if you are over-rated, but it will catch up with you at the next event instead, with the added drawback of ruling you out of rating prizes in the interim.

    The exception is where you are rated much higher than most of the field, so you are more at risk of losing points simply because you have much more room to move in that direction whereas gaining significant points is mathematically difficult or impossible. I think this is a more general issue than just ratings though.

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