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    How do I react to this opening strategy?

    I downloaded a chess program, and the computer always does this it seems.

    White Pawn E4
    Black Pawn D5

    Do I take it? For if he took it, there'd be no way I could take his pawn.

    But lets say this happens:

    White Pawn E4
    Black Pawn E5
    White Pawn D4
    Black Pawn D5

    Do I take his pawn at D5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharoah
    I downloaded a chess program, and the computer always does this it seems.

    White Pawn E4
    Black Pawn D5

    Do I take it? For if he took it, there'd be no way I could take his pawn.
    You could take it - the only way it can recapture your pawn (now on d5) would be to capture with the queen. After that, start attacking its queen - e.g. 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 etc.

    Alternatively, you could protect your e4 pawn with moves like 2.d3 or 2.Nc6.

    I'll leave the 1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5 question for someone else - I can't remember what it's called, but I don't think the computer's 2...d5 move is particularly sound. I'll caveat that with the fact that I don't know much about it and don't have a reference handy.

    In fact, I'd recommend getting a book on chess that talks about basic opening principles. There's no need (assuming you're new to opening strategies) to go learning particular openings off by heart, but an understanding of where to develop your pieces and in what general order will probably be very helpful in your analysis of what to do in this kind of situation
    Last edited by Southpaw Jim; 07-06-2006 at 09:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharoah
    I downloaded a chess program, and the computer always does this it seems.

    White Pawn E4
    Black Pawn D5

    Do I take it? For if he took it, there'd be no way I could take his pawn.
    Yes, take it. There is a thread on this opening (called the "Scandinavian" or "Centre Counter" depending on who you talk to) on this forum at the moment.

    But lets say this happens:

    White Pawn E4
    Black Pawn E5
    White Pawn D4
    Black Pawn D5

    Do I take his pawn at D5?
    Taking on d5 is OK but I would take on e5.

    1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5 3.dxe5 Now to recover his pawn Black must play ...dxe4. Then you should play 4.Qxd8+. This queen swap deprives Black of the right to castle. Then you should be able to develop your queen-side pieces fast and possibly castle queen-side with check gaining more time.

    Most Black players will not play 2...d5. 2...exd4 is better.
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    How was he banned? ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharoah
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    How was he banned? ^
    Hi Pharoah,

    It's a long story and not a particularly interesting one. Bottom line is he's not banned - just a kind of "title".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharoah
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    How was he banned? ^
    It was an april fools joke from the site owner. It still hasn't been put back!
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    Ooo, ok, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurotrash
    You could take it - the only way it can recapture your pawn (now on d5) would be to capture with the queen. After that, start attacking its queen - e.g. 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 etc.

    Alternatively, you could protect your e4 pawn with moves like 2.d3 or 2.Nc6.

    I'll leave the 1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5 question for someone else - I can't remember what it's called, but I don't think the computer's 2...d5 move is particularly sound. I'll caveat that with the fact that I don't know much about it and don't have a reference handy.

    In fact, I'd recommend getting a book on chess that talks about basic opening principles. There's no need (assuming you're new to opening strategies) to go learning particular openings off by heart, but an understanding of where to develop your pieces and in what general order will probably be very helpful in your analysis of what to do in this kind of situation
    No, no, no.

    Eurotrash has it all wrong.

    Okay, let me get this straight. The Danish gambit 1.) e4 e5 2.) d4 has gone completely off the rails because the fish has decided to play 2.) ... d5!? instead of e x d4.

    Taking at e4 is obviously a strong move, and probably the best for white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrogant-One
    No, no, no.

    Eurotrash has it all wrong.
    Which bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurotrash
    Which bit?
    The part where you got confused.

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    Ok. Maybe I'm a bit slow.

    Quote Originally Posted by me
    You could take it - the only way it can recapture your pawn (now on d5) would be to capture with the queen. After that, start attacking its queen - e.g. 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 etc.

    Alternatively, you could protect your e4 pawn with moves like 2.d3 or 2.Nc6.
    AFAIK, wrt to the first part of Pharoah's question (ie what to do with 1.e4 d5), this is correct. KB offered similar advice wrt to taking the pawn in post #4.

    Quote Originally Posted by me
    I'll leave the 1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5 question for someone else - I can't remember what it's called, but I don't think the computer's 2...d5 move is particularly sound. I'll caveat that with the fact that I don't know much about it and don't have a reference handy.
    This obviously deals with Pharoah's 2nd question, namely what to do with 1.e4 e5, 2.d4 d5. I don't see any specific advice I offered here. I stated that I wasn't sure of the right approach, but that I thought 2...d5 is not the best option for black.

    If I didn't offer any specific advice, then how am I "all wrong"?

    Quote Originally Posted by me
    In fact, I'd recommend getting a book on chess that talks about basic opening principles. There's no need (assuming you're new to opening strategies) to go learning particular openings off by heart, but an understanding of where to develop your pieces and in what general order will probably be very helpful in your analysis of what to do in this kind of situation
    I can't see how this is wrong. It's basic advice.

    The only conclusion I can draw is that you have misread my initial post
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