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    My Beloved Tromp!

    Let's talk about the Tromp. 1. d4 Nf6 2.Bg5

    I would like to know if any 2000+ players (or close) give the The Trompowsky a run around the block under tournament conditions. If so, and you have had a reasonable game with it, I'd appreciate an email with that game. Or post it here if you prefer. Perhaps you had a great position and failed to convert (tell me about it!!, sheez).

    I appreciate this has been a much maligned opening in years gone by but is resurrected from time to time - twice significantly in the last 30 years. Of course the Poms about 10 years ago had some reasonable success.

    The traditionalists at the Brisbane Chess Club aren't keen (although their respect for it is growing), but Jacob Edwards and a few other non traditional types always enjoy themselves when it is wheeled out.

    I seldom play anything else (although I am certain my rating would improve if I did!). I would appreciate any intelligent discussion on The Tromp.
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    I'd be much more impressed if you tried it against 1. d4 e6 2. Bg5

    I seem to recall a British GM singing its praises a few years back. Can't remember which one though.

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    Mickey Adams et al have all used it to good effect. But the Tromp king is Julian Hodgson. He's had some great games with it over the years and is never afraid to experiment.

    He's had some disasters too, but then who hasn't?
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    The Tromp

    It is dealt with well in Gallagher's "Beating the Anti King's Indians". These days many repertoire books give good lines against the Tromp. I am not revealing which one I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidflude
    I am not revealing which one I like.
    Go on, tell us. It's only a chess opening, not a plan for world domination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidflude
    It is dealt with well in Gallagher's "Beating the Anti King's Indians". These days many repertoire books give good lines against the Tromp. I am not revealing which one I like.
    Thanks David. I appreciate 'special' plans aren't for general consumption; they really should be left for the board, but are you happy to talk generally?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Thanks David. I appreciate 'special' plans aren't for general consumption; they really should be left for the board, but are you happy to talk generally?
    The Tromp is a very dangerous system to play against. Fortunately black has multiple choices of ways to counter it. The trick is to choose one that suits your style. In general terms asymetric defences usually involving c5 at some stage give greater winning and losing chances then variations based on d5.

    So if you are a super solid stodge merchant play defences based on d5 and hope that white overreaches. On the other hand if you are a fighter play lines based on an early c5 and take your chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    the Tromp king is Julian Hodgson.
    That's right. I remember he defeated Gufeld with it. Gufeld said "This is not chess. This is poker." JH retorted by pointing out who had won the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Let's talk about the Tromp. 1. d4 Nf6 2.Bg5

    I would like to know if any 2000+ players (or close) give the The Trompowsky a run around the block under tournament conditions. If so, and you have had a reasonable game with it, I'd appreciate an email with that game. Or post it here if you prefer. Perhaps you had a great position and failed to convert (tell me about it!!, sheez).
    I'll just post a few games I've had against the Trompovsky, all were interesting for one reason or another.

    In this one apparently I could have held the balance around move 34 or 35, but overlooked a nice trick by David winning a piece.

    [Event "Doeberl Cup 42nd"]
    [Site "Canberra"]
    [Date "2004.04.09"]
    [Round "3"]
    [White "Smerdon,David"]
    [Black "Charles,Gareth"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [Eco "D00"]
    1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 3.Bxf6 exf6 4.e3 Bd6 5.g3 0-0 6.Bg2 c6 7.Ne2 Be6 8.Nd2 f5 9.b3 Nd7 10.0-0 Nf6 11.c4 Re8 12.c5 Bc7 13.b4 b5 14.cxb6 axb6 15.Qc2 Bd6 16.a3 Bd7 17.Nc3 Qe7 18.Qb3 Ne4 19.Ndxe4 fxe4 20.Rfb1 b5 21.a4 bxa4 22.Nxa4 Reb8 23.Nc5 g6 24.Qc3 Bg4 25.Bf1 h5 26.Rxa8 Rxa8 27.b5 cxb5 28.Rxb5 Rc8 29.Qa5 h4 30.Qa6 hxg3 31.hxg3 Bxc5 32.dxc5 Rxc5 33.Rb8+ Kg7 34.Qa1+ f6 35.Qa8 Be6 36.Re8 Qf7 37.Rxe6 Qxe6 38.Qa7+ Kh6 39.Qxc5 Kg5 40.Bc4
    f5 41.Bxd5 Qe5 42.Kg2 Kf6 43.Qf8+ Kg5 44.Bf7 Qf6 45.Qg8 Qd6 46.Qh8 1-0

    I have always been convinced I had a lost position out of the early stages of the following game. After Bxd6 exd6 my Bc8 has nowhere to go and I was surprised White let me swap it off.

    [Event "Oceania zt"]
    [Site "Auckland"]
    [Date "2005.01.30"]
    [Round "3"]
    [White "Wallis,Christopher"]
    [Black "Charles,Gareth"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [Eco "A45"]
    1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Nf6 5.dxc5 b6 6.e4 bxc5 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.Qd2
    g6 9.Nd5 Nxd5 10.exd5 Nd4 11.c3 Nf5 12.g4 Nd6 13.Bxd6 exd6 14.0-0-0 Bg7 15.Re1+ Kf8 16.h4 h5 17.g5 Qa5 18.Qe3 Ba6 19.Bxa6 Qxa6 20.Kb1 Rb8 21.Rh2 Kg8 22.Rhe2 Qc4 23.Qe4 Qxc3 24.Qc2 Kh7 25.Qxc3 Bxc3 26.Rc1 Bd4 0-1

    This was a really crazy game, I got this dubious position but eventually emerged somehow into an ending a pawn up. Unfortunately I was quite short of time (even with the 30s increment) and Chris well and truly exploited this.

    [Event "Oceania zt"]
    [Site "Auckland"]
    [Date "2005.01.30"]
    [Round "5"]
    [White "Depasquale,Chris"]
    [Black "Charles,Gareth"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [Eco "A45"]
    1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Nf6 5.d5 Qb6 6.Be5 d6 7.Bc3 Nbd7 8.e4 Qd8 9.a4 e6 10.dxe6 fxe6 11.Nh3 d5 12.e5 Ng8 13.f4 Nh6 14.Ng5 Nb8 15.Bd3 g6 16.Nxh7 Rxh7 17.Bxg6+ Nf7 18.Bxh7 Qh4+ 19.g3 Qxh7 20.Qd3 Qh3 21.Na3 a6 22.0-0-0 Bd7 23.Qf1 Qh6 24.h4 Qh5 25.Rg1 Nh6 26.g4 Nxg4 27.Qf3 Nf6 28.Qxh5+ Nxh5 29.Rg8 Ke7 30.Bd2 Bg7 31.f5 exf5 32.Rg1 Kf7
    33.Rd8 Bxe5 34.Rgg8 Bd6 35.Rh8 Nf6 36.h5 Ra7 37.h6 Nc6 38.h7 Nxd8 39.Rxd8 Nxh7 40.Rxd7+ Be7 41.Rxd5 Ke6 42.Rd3 Ra8 43.Re3+ Kf7 44.Rb3 Rg8 45.Kb1 Rg1+ 46.Ka2 Rd1 47.Nc4 Nf6 48.Rxb7 Nd5 49.Kb3 f4 50.Ra7 Nb6 51.Ne5+ Ke6 52.Bxf4 Rd4 53.Rxe7+ Kxe7 54.Nc6+ Kd7 55.Nxd4 cxd4 56.Be5 d3
    57.cxd3 Kc6 58.Bg3 Nd5 59.Bf2 Nf4 60.Kc4 Ng6 61.Bg3 Ne7 62.b4 Nf5 63.Bf4 Ng7 64.d4 Ne8 65.Be5 1-0

    This was an interesting game for me because I thought in the opening I was fine-Bishop outside the pawn chain, solid pawn structure...but White in fact has an edge-Black's light squared bishop is in fact not very active and White has a pleasant space advantage. 7...b6 was correct I believe, after
    Qb6 White ends up getting a real bind on the Qside after forcing Black to swap on b3 with 10.c5.

    [Event "Begonia op"]
    [Site "Ballarat"]
    [Date "2004.03.06"]
    [Round "6"]
    [White "Smerdon,David"]
    [Black "Charles,Gareth"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [Eco "A45"]
    1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 d5 4.e3 Bf5 5.f3 Nf6 6.c4 c6 7.Qb3 Qb6 8.Nc3 e6
    9.g4 Bg6 10.c5 Qxb3 11.axb3 Be7 12.h4 h6 13.b4 0-0 14.b3 Re8 15.Ra2 Kf8 16.g5 hxg5 17.hxg5 Ng8 18.Nh3 Rc8 19.b5 Ke8 20.b4 Bf8 21.b6 a6 22.b5 a5 23.Kf2 f6 24.Bxb8 Rcxb8 25.bxc6 bxc6 26.Be2 Ne7 27.Rha1 e5 28.Rxa5 Rxa5 29.Rxa5 Nf5 30.Bd3 Be7 31.Ra7 Kd8 32.f4 exd4 33.exd4 Nh4 34.Bxg6 Nxg6 35.Kg3 Nf8 36.f5 fxg5 37.Kg4 Nh7 38.Na4 Bf6 39.Rc7 Rc8 40.Rf7 Bxd4
    41.Nxg5 Nxg5 42.Kxg5 Bf6+ 43.Kf4 Ke8 44.Rb7 Kd8 45.Ra7 Bd4 46.Kg5 Be5 47.Kg6 Rb8 48.Kf7 d4 49.Ke6 Bf6 50.Kd6 d3 51.Ke6 1-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    I'll just post a few games I've had against the Trompovsky, all were interesting for one reason or another.
    Cheers Charles

    I will make sure to have a look at all the games when I get a chance. But just clarifying, for the great unwashed, and they certainly are!, that

    Smerdon
    De Pasquale
    Wallis
    , and as we now know
    Rogers

    have all played The Tromp.

    To self: My godfathers; you don't think all the little classical e4 munchkins are going to run off an brush up, do you?
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    Having trouble sleeping last night Howard?
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Having trouble sleeping last night Howard?
    Logged off at 12 I think [perhaps 1]. What with my [insert unmentionable playing the sympathy/ victim card here] and Renée's daughter [aged 23] and her 2 month old here - I had no hope!

    Logged back on at 4 - and decided to storm the place!
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    I think Howard will be happy with this:

    Former women's world champ wins with the tromp.

    [Event "North Urals Cup"]
    [Site "Krasnoturyinsk RUS"]
    [Date "2006.07.23"]
    [Round "1"]
    [White "Stefanova,A"]
    [Black "Kosintseva,T"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [WhiteElo "2520"]
    [BlackElo "2479"]
    [EventDate "2006.07.23"]
    [ECO "A45"]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    Let's talk about the Tromp. 1. d4 Nf6 2.Bg5

    I would like to know if any 2000+ players (or close) give the The Trompowsky a run around the block under tournament conditions. If so, and you have had a reasonable game with it, I'd appreciate an email with that game. Or post it here if you prefer. Perhaps you had a great position and failed to convert (tell me about it!!, sheez).

    I appreciate this has been a much maligned opening in years gone by but is resurrected from time to time - twice significantly in the last 30 years. Of course the Poms about 10 years ago had some reasonable success.

    The traditionalists at the Brisbane Chess Club aren't keen (although their respect for it is growing), but Jacob Edwards and a few other non traditional types always enjoy themselves when it is wheeled out.

    I seldom play anything else (although I am certain my rating would improve if I did!). I would appreciate any intelligent discussion on The Tromp.

    I believe it was first used on this board two Xmas's ago by the said Duggan but was exorcised by the A/C, A/C 1 - Duggan 0. (not rubbing it in or anything)

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    Here is the game I played yesterday. Post it especially for you, Gunner.

    [white ACF=2294]
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