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    Chess Coaching Job Opportunity

    I found the following job advertised at the www.seek.com.au website today:

    Chess Teacher

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    Chess Ideas is an organisation devoted to development and fostering chess at the highest level. Our company was established 15 years ago by (IM) Michael Gluzman & Ross Thomas, who are extremely passionate about Chess and imparting knowledge and love for the game on to children.

    Chess improves children's mental prowess, concentration, memory and analytical skills. Several research studies have shown that chess can improve student's academic results.

    You know how to teach, we will train you in ‘chess’. Good sessional rates.
    Please contact Zeev:

    95328370 or 0403225788 or email your CV to admin@chessideas.com.au
    Training and equipment are provided.




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    email: admin@chessideas.com.au
    Email: Please click the 'Apply Now' button below.

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    'We will teach you chess'.

    Are there no decent chess teachers looking for work from among the chess community?

    This ad is right out of the David Cordover school of staff recruitment. No chess knowledge required. It reminds me of one time when I was working at Chess Kids, I heard one new chess teacher, after having just taught his first class, asking the head coach: Um...excuse me...can you tell me how the king moves again.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    Chess Ideas is an organisation devoted to development and fostering chess at the highest level.
    I guess teaching its coaches how to push the wood is an important step then.

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    I think it really depends on the level at which the teaching is pitched. By way of analogy consider the mathematical abiity of teachers of mathematics at primary, secondary and tertiary levels.

    At primary the emphasis is on the teaching. The mathematics is of a more fundamental level and a high level of technical knowledge is not required by the teacher. In general the teachers have education qualifications but not mathematics degrees.

    At secondary level the teaching is still a big component but the level of technical knowledge is a step up. Ideallythe teachers should (I believe) have mathematics and education qualifications.

    At the tertiary level the specialist knowledge is another step up. The teachers would ideally have post-graduate maths qualification (probably PhD) and some education training or qualification. But the balance is completely the opposite of what is required for the primary level.

    So if Chess Ideas are recruiting teachers of primary chess fundamentals I think the emphasis is on getting good teachers who can be chessed up rather than the other way around. This seems to be the thrust of their advertisment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
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    So if Chess Kids are recruiting teachers of primary chess fundamentals I think the emphasis is on getting good teachers who can be chessed up rather than the other way around. This seems to be the thrust of their advertisment.

    The emphasis is on getting entertainers to go around the schools and entertain the kids .

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    I wonder if the 'train the trainer' sessions are free or whether the applicant is expected to pay. Now there's a chance for 'double dipping'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve K
    I wonder if the 'train the trainer' sessions are free or whether the applicant is expected to pay. Now there's a chance for 'double dipping'.
    I'd be certain that the training is for free. Its what employers do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    The emphasis is on getting entertainers to go around the schools and entertain the kids .
    What is the justification for that statement? The ad clearly targets those with education qualification/experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    What is the justification for that statement? The ad clearly targets those with education qualification/experience.

    Just some conversations I have had with Chess Kids/Chess Ideas coaches

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    Axiomatic

    chess IS entertainment............. educational benefits arise by adhering to this axiom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    Just some conversations I have had with Chess Kids/Chess Ideas coaches
    OK Well that is a whole other kettle of herring.

    Note I meant Chess Ideas in the last para of my previous post, not Chess Kids. I'll correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    OK Well that is a whole other kettle of herring.

    Note I meant Chess Ideas in the last para of my previous post, not Chess Kids. I'll correct.

    Is there that much of a difference between Chess Kids and Chess Ideas?

    The business owners are different but the business proposition is very much the same - entertaining school kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    Is there that much of a difference between Chess Kids and Chess Ideas?

    The business owners are different but the business proposition is very much the same - entertaining school kids
    No the whole other kettle of herring was in reference to your opinion being formed from discussions with coaches, not based on the the advertisement alone.

    My point was just that the focus on teaching rather than chess ability could be valid in some contexts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    My point was just that the focus on teaching rather than chess ability could be valid in some contexts.

    Ok, that I strongly agree with! But what are these contexts?

    Chess at schools can be introduced with 3 basic purposes (may be there are more but these are the 3 i can think of from the top of my head).

    1) to entertain the kids (probably most suitable for the Australian market)
    2) to improve logical thinking and analitical skills
    3) to raise some some strong chess players

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    Ok, that I strongly agree with! But what are these contexts?

    Chess at schools can be introduced with 3 basic purposes (may be there are more but these are the 3 i can think of from the top of my head).

    1) to entertain the kids (probably most suitable for the Australian market)
    2) to improve logical thinking and analitical skills
    3) to raise some some strong chess players
    Now you are talking about motivation and I was only considering the outcome itself. If you have some young children who are completely new to the game you need a competent teacher first and chess mastery second. So in the context of that level of chess teaching I think the focus on teaching is appropriate.

    From a complete business model point of view, if your purpose is to develop stong chess players, it is important to be able to provide services with a greater level of technical chess knowledge. This is all down the track, if and when the individual student requires it.
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