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    Possible to improve?

    Is it possible for a 17 year old who is at about 1300 to improve and become 1900+?

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    Definitely.

    Malcolm Pyke was around 1300 when he just started (late teens? early 20s?)and is now rated 2080.

    I also almost qualify - I went from just below 1200 to 1411 a few months before I turned 17 and have since been as high as 2039.
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    I see. That sounds reassuring.

    Do you have any book suggestions? I know of a couple, but I don't know if they will really work.

    http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/...ss+Improvement
    http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/...ss&pageSize=10

    thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Definitely.

    Malcolm Pyke was around 1300 when he just started (late teens? early 20s?)and is now rated 2080.

    I also almost qualify - I went from just below 1200 to 1411 a few months before I turned 17 and have since been as high as 2039.
    take out the rating increases

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    I never studied any particular books that much, I just relied on a gradual build-up of tournament experience and understanding of types of positions that I got. Different things can work for different people.

    There's some discussion about that book here that you may find interesting.

    Don't think I've read it but author is very well regarded.
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    Hi huh123. Someone else asked this question last year and got a few answers too... see below.
    http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=2765
    I'm looking forward to seeing Frosty's rating go up and up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    take out the rating increases
    Yes, it's true that in the period discussed Malcolm and I both scored 220 points of ACF adjustments. However the first 150 points was a deflation correction and some of the deflation would have occurred while we were playing. So it's not as simple as saying we improved by 220 points less than the figures say.

    David Richards recorded a whopping rating increase as an adult over quite a short space of time, although something like half of that was ACF topups and corrections to some local rating issues.
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    What's the difference between an expert and a 1300 player?
    Last edited by huh123; 25-04-2006 at 08:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Yes, it's true that in the period discussed Malcolm and I both scored 220 points of ACF adjustments. However the first 150 points was a deflation correction and some of the deflation would have occurred while we were playing. So it's not as simple as saying we improved by 220 points less than the figures say.

    David Richards recorded a whopping rating increase as an adult over quite a short space of time, although something like half of that was ACF topups and corrections to some local rating issues.

    It is easy to improve if your rating is 1200. However, as you get stronger- getting better becomes harder. It is much easier to go from 1100 to 1600 than from 2100 to 2300 or from 2600 to 2700.

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    I remember all through my days as a junior Simon Rutherford was around 1100-1300 for many years. I stopped playing, then a couple of years later I checked the ratings and saw that he had become an FM. What the!! Incredible improvement.

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    Looking at my son's progress I believe getting from 1000 to 1200 in a half a year (spending around 10 hours a week on chess) is not hard.

    On the other hand if you read articles written by professional coachess from chess assistant team, you can find that getting from 2200 to 2400 is possible in 2 years (spending on average around 20 hours a week on chess).

    Consequently, this informal analysis proves that it is 8 times harder to get from 2200 to 2400 rather than from 1000 to 1200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drug
    Looking at my son's progress I believe getting from 1000 to 1200 in a half a year (spending around 10 hours a week on chess) is not hard.

    On the other hand if you read articles written by professional coachess from chess assistant team, you can find that getting from 2200 to 2400 is possible in 2 years (spending on average around 20 hours a week on chess).

    Consequently, this informal analysis proves that it is 8 times harder to get from 2200 to 2400 rather than from 1000 to 1200.

    Drug, how many players have we got in Australia who call themselves "chess professionals" yet fail to get to 2200? I do not want to list the names here (to avoid offending people) but many names come to mind.

    And once players do get to 2200, then yet another challenge is awaiting them. How many senior players (25+ years of age, employed etc.) have managed to get improve 200 points at this level

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    Quote Originally Posted by drug
    (spending around 10 hours a week on chess)
    (spending on average around 20 hours a week on chess).
    Do mean hours of study time?
    Do you include social games as part of that time?

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    If improving is that easy? How can all of us are patzers?

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    patzer is a relative term

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