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    Preliminary Qualifier for Australian Masters

    Greetings everyone,

    This tournament is a twelve player round robin played on 3 days of the week, starting on Sunday 14th March and running every Sunday (2.00pm), Tuesday and Thursday (both 7.00pm) until Thursday the 1st of April.

    Time control:90 minutes +30 seconds a move

    Entry fee $120

    Prizes 1st $500, 2nd $250, 3rd $150. The winner goes through into the Qualifier for the Australian Masters. The tournament will be FIDE rated. All players should gain a FIDE Rating.

    Where: Melbourne Chess Club - Serving Australian chess since 1866.
    66 leicester st Fitzroy 3065. Ph-number 94163149.
    Contact Greig Gatto for further details.

    Cheers FG7

    P.S Qualifyer is in May 2004 and Australian Masters in August 2004- all held at the Melbourne Chess Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firegoat7
    The winner goes through into the Qualifier for the Australian Masters.
    P.S Qualifyer is in May 2004 and Australian Masters in August 2004- all held at the Melbourne Chess Club.
    A qualifying tournament to make the qualifying tournament to the Australian Masters? Sheesh! That's a bit rough ... need about 14/18 just to make it into the Masters ... only to then get clobbered in the Masters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Stead
    A qualifying tournament to make the qualifying tournament to the Australian Masters? Sheesh! That's a bit rough ... need about 14/18 just to make it into the Masters ... only to then get clobbered in the Masters!
    Indeed, and firegoat says the winner goes through to the Qualifier; who else will be in the Qualifier and how do they get there? Ditto for the Masters itself.

    Also, "all players should gain a FIDE rating" - surely this only applies to those who perform over 1800 FIDE vs sufficient FIDE rated players?

    Sounds like a test run for some of firegoat's ideas from the Aus Champs format debates. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Also, "all players should gain a FIDE rating" - surely this only applies to those who perform over 1800 FIDE vs sufficient FIDE rated players?
    Actually by the time the Masters will be played and rated in the FIDE October 2004 list the rating floor I think may have dropped to 1600.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    Actually by the time the Masters will be played and rated in the FIDE October 2004 list the rating floor I think may have dropped to 1600.
    Already? That will certainly make it easier, provided they have enough with existing FIDE ratings. How many FIDE rated players do you need to play to get a FIDE rating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Already? That will certainly make it easier, provided they have enough with existing FIDE ratings. How many FIDE rated players do you need to play to get a FIDE rating?
    You have to play 9 FIDE rated players and at least 4 per tournament, for FIDE to keep a history. This is known as a block (or is it bloc?). You also lose a bloc after a year and start again.

    e.g. if you play 7 FIDE rated players in 1 tournament, you still need to play 4 in the next, in order for them to accumulate the games. Once you have your rating, that proviso disappears.

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    The regulations for round robin tournaments are different. For a round robin tournament I believe believe at least 1/3 of the players must have a FIDE rating. So for a 10 player round robin the requirement is 4 players. For tournaments with less than 10 players then there must be 4 players. I believe if there are no forfiets and every player gets at least a 1/2 a point then everyone can get a FIDE rating provided there performance merits it.
    Jenni is correct with the rules regarding other tournaments.
    Scott

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    Thanks for the replies all pretty interesting.

    Kerry I understand where your coming from. However you have to place your ideas in their correct context. A person without a FIDE rating cannot play (well, MCC are not going to let them) in the Australian Masters. This is why there is a preliminary to the qualifyer. People with a fide rating can play in the qualifyer directly, since they already have a FIDE rating. Besides playing in the preliminary gives people a chance to gain a FIDE rating.

    Bill is this rumor about 1600 FIDE confirmed fact or just rumor? Do you have any links I could look at?

    Kevin, If your not familiar with Bekkers site check out the Oceania link on the ACF webpage. He shows how FIDE events normally work in Oz.

    Jenni my understanding is that Scott is correct about the FIDE rated block of players. There will be at least 4 FIDE rated players in this tournament.

    Just to let everyone know there aint many spots available, first in first served. My understanding is that Michael Baron is already a confirmed FIDE rated entrant. Dragicevic and Bekker are also locked in, I think.

    Yes it is also true that this is an attempt to give people a genuine opportunity to participate at the highest level of chess. Representing ideas that I have espoused about Australian championship qualification. I thought, This show that ideas can become reality. Furthermore, hopefully it will encourage players who are serious about their chess to aim for something achievable within a reasonable time frame.

    Cheers FG7

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    Quote Originally Posted by firegoat7
    Bill is this rumor about 1600 FIDE confirmed fact or just rumor? Do you have any links I could look at?
    Its mentioned in the minutes of the Titles and Rating Committee Report for 29th October 2003.
    Although the quality/english grammer of the report leaves something to be desired, it implies that they voted to lower the limit to 1601.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenni
    You have to play 9 FIDE rated players and at least 4 per tournament, for FIDE to keep a history. This is known as a block (or is it bloc?). You also lose a bloc after a year and start again.

    e.g. if you play 7 FIDE rated players in 1 tournament, you still need to play 4 in the next, in order for them to accumulate the games. Once you have your rating, that proviso disappears.
    I thought the rules about expiring of past blocks were removed? IIRC Michael Lip got his FIDE rating recently based on a block from the 2003 Australian Open and a World or Asian junior from a number of years ago.
    I know they removed the time restriction on Title Norms, so it would makes some sense to have also removed the time restrictions for rating blocks for unrateds.
    Also what Jenni means with the proviso disappearing is that for games to be rated once you have a rating, they do not have to be in blocks of 4 games or more. ie: games are rated one at a time, so it doesn't matter whether you play 1 or 11 FIDE rated opponents in a FIDE rated tournament, all games get rated once you have a rating.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottColliver
    The regulations for round robin tournaments are different. For a round robin tournament I believe believe at least 1/3 of the players must have a FIDE rating. So for a 10 player round robin the requirement is 4 players. For tournaments with less than 10 players then there must be 4 players. I believe if there are no forfiets and every player gets at least a 1/2 a point then everyone can get a FIDE rating provided there performance merits it.
    Jenni is correct with the rules regarding other tournaments.
    Scott
    Scott is pretty much correct with what he says, with minimum 4 FIDE rateds for the tournament, and 1/3 of field needing to be FIDE rated.
    How the rating calculation works for round robins is a little different to the standard method of using performance ratings. Basically the tournament is given an average rating based on how the unrateds have scored as a group in the tournament. This is then used to calculate performance ratings for players in the tournament, with unrateds scoring 50% or less getting a block at their performance rating, while if they score over 50% they get the tournament average + 12.5 points per 1/2 point over 50% they have scored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Stead
    Also what Jenni means with the proviso disappearing is that for games to be rated once you have a rating, they do not have to be in blocks of 4 games or more. ie: games are rated one at a time, so it doesn't matter whether you play 1 or 11 FIDE rated opponents in a FIDE rated tournament, all games get rated once you have a rating.
    Thats not entirely correct. Once you have a rating your results in future tournaments count irrespective of the number of games you play in that tournament. The games are not however individually rated. The change in your rating is based on the average rating of your opponents. FIDE have a plan to implement rating changes based on individual games by 1st July 2005 but they have made no progress in this regards according to the latest minutes of the Tiltes and Ratings Committee Report.

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    By the way for anybody who does not know the Australian Masters is one of Australia's premium chess events. This year that proud condition will continue with sponsorship already secured. IM norms will be available as per every year. A visit to Gary Bekkers oceania site at http://www.auschess.org.au/oceania/index.htm should give everyone an idea of what to expect.

    Regards FG7

    P.S The event is being run by Melbourne Chess Club not last years organisers.

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    Sorry firegoat7, didn't realise you did meant this only in regards to FIDE unrated players. Suppose it makes some sense then, albeit as I said a little gruelling.
    Are there any players on the ACF list who you could justifyably include in an Australian Masters that DON'T already have a FIDE rating however?

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    Quote Originally Posted by firegoat7
    Thanks for the replies all pretty interesting.


    Jenni my understanding is that Scott is correct about the FIDE rated block of players. There will be at least 4 FIDE rated players in this tournament.

    Yep - I always forget about round robins as my experience has been with FIDE swiss tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Stead
    I thought the rules about expiring of past blocks were removed? IIRC Michael Lip got his FIDE rating recently based on a block from the 2003 Australian Open and a World or Asian junior from a number of years ago.
    Hadn't heard that - will make it much easier to get a FIDE if that is true. Michael's World Youth was 1998, (Open under 16), so that is certainly going back awhile.

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