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    How would you like to get the IM title?

    I am just wandering how would you like to get the IM title? Through the norms or through the zonal. For me the norms.

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    Third way to become an IM.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1144
    I am just wandering how would you like to get the IM title? Through the norms or through the zonal. For me the norms.

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    I like the third way which is to play lots of correspondence chess until you wind up playing in tournaments with Correspondence Grand Masters. If you achieve a high enough points total in a strong tournament you can become a correspondence IM. Make no mistake these guys are good. Guy West earned his Correspondence IM title playing in a correspondence GM tournament. I have seen some of his games and the games were really tough.

    I am playing a fixed openings tournament where one of my opponents is a Senior International master named Allen George Savage who has played in the three quarter final of the World Correspondence Championship. I notice that he is no slouch over the board playing some strong Grand Masters.

    This tournament will prove a real test of how well I understand he King's Gambit. I love playing really strong players in Correspondence (these days it uses a database rather than snail mail).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1144
    I am just wandering how would you like to get the IM title? Through the norms or through the zonal. For me the norms.
    How about by winning the International Committee of Silent Chess World Championship or the Centroamerican-Caribbean Junior Championship?

    Interestingly re the prestige of IM vs WGM which is much debated, I note that clear first place in the World Girls Championship is an automatic WGM title but only a nine-game IM norm. Various other indicators show that FIDE regards WGM as a weaker title than IM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Various other indicators show that FIDE regards WGM as a weaker title than IM.
    check the qualification requirements:

    IM - rating >2400, norm = 2450 performance
    WGM - rating >2300, norm = 2400 performance.

    I'd say WGM is somewehre between FM and IM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    I'd say WGM is somewehre between FM and IM
    The first black African woman to become WGM is Tuduetso Sabure, rated 2072.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1144
    I am just wandering how would you like to get the IM title? Through the norms or through the zonal. For me the norms.

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    I'll have to wait till Kelloggs start giving them away with breakfast cereal . . .
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    who cares?

    You guys are debating about HOW you would like to get the IM title?

    Isn't that like debating what coloured winning lotto ticket you would like? I don't like my first division win - that red ticket isn't my chosen colour

    Come on. Anyway you can get it, to be an IM with all the glory thrown in that comes with it, you take it.

    Not that such a title will ever come to a hopeless case lilke I am of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozy
    I'll have to wait till Kelloggs start giving them away with breakfast cereal . . .
    Damn, I was going to give the exact same call.

    Actually Dozy you reminded me of something else... will reveal in a couple of days.
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    go directly to GM Gaol .... do not collect $200IM
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    There is also the method of bribing existing titled players to lose to you in matches and tournaments. (I vaguely recall one Russian chess official that had his title taken from him in the 80s or 90s because he hadn't actually earned it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee
    There is also the method of bribing existing titled players to lose to you in matches and tournaments. (I vaguely recall one Russian chess official that had his title taken from him in the 80s or 90s because he hadn't actually earned it).
    If memory serves he was from either Bulgaria (I think) or possibly Romania. He may have been a high ranking official in his national chess organisation too.
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    I suspect there is an agenda in the original question to suggest that a title obtained from an event which carries an automatic title is easier (= less legitimate) than scoring norms.

    In some recently discussed instances that is probably true. But not always. The latest BCM carries a short obituary of IM Bela Berger noting that he got his title for finishing equal first in a zonal in Jakarta, which may be a bigger achievement than some other instances that have been mentioned. At the next level up, Bobby Fischer got his GM title by qualifying for the 1959 Candidates final.

    On the other hand norms can be obtained by paying entry fees to sausage-machine European tournaments and scraping a norm three times in a hundred attempts against 85-year-olds who aren't trying too hard. For this reason FIDE added another clause to this method requiring a minimum FIDE rating be achieved. It's this, if anything, that makes a norms-based title harder to get.

    I think EE is talking about Mr Crisan of Romania. More recently there was the case of the Ukrainian tournament that didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1144
    I am just wandering how would you like to get the IM title? Through the norms or through the zonal. For me the norms.
    An IM is an IM.

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    By the way: direct qualification for IM titles through Open tournaments has been around for many years. Shane Hill (now rated 2295, though inactive for many years) won his IM title through the Asian Junior in about 1986.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    An IM is an IM.
    But a toll is a toll and a roll is a roll, and if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls.
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