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    I hate Howard & Beazley

    You know Australian politics sucks when:

    Howard introduces IR laws that let employers force their workers to work on Australia day. That is an absolute disgrace - workers are not permitted 1 day in 365 to celebrate their own country's national holiday. I am not much of a patriot; but I am to that extent.

    Kim Beazley is such a gutless wonder that he doesn't even ATTEMPT to attack Howard about workers being forced to work on Jan 26. Any opposition leader with any cajones at all ought to have ROASTED Howard over that issue.

    Now we have this wheat board scandal. Howard, Downer et al will get away with it. Just as they got away with weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, children overboard etc. After all, in Howard's Australia all that matters is me, myself, I and my Telstra share price; nobody cares anymore about scandals, morals or political culpability. And if Howard thinks that anyone is starting to care he can always trundle out the next election bribe. Last time it was a baby bonus. What will it be this time round? Let me think. I know. A breathing bonus; if you breathe air you get a tax rebate. That will get the suckers' votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qpawn
    You know Australian politics sucks when:

    Howard introduces IR laws that let employers force their workers to work on Australia day. That is an absolute disgrace - workers are not permitted 1 day in 365 to celebrate their own country's national holiday. I am not much of a patriot; but I am to that extent.

    Kim Beazley is such a gutless wonder that he doesn't even ATTEMPT to attack Howard about workers being forced to work on Jan 26. Any opposition leader with any cajones at all ought to have ROASTED Howard over that issue.

    Now we have this wheat board scandal. Howard, Downer et al will get away with it. Just as they got away with weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, children overboard etc. After all, in Howard's Australia all that matters is me, myself, I and my Telstra share price; nobody cares anymore about scandals, morals or political culpability. And if Howard thinks that anyone is starting to care he can always trundle out the next election bribe. Last time it was a baby bonus. What will it be this time round? Let me think. I know. A breathing bonus; if you breathe air you get a tax rebate. That will get the suckers' votes.
    Here's your choices convince as many people as possible to vote Green ,go with the gutless eunuch , praise the messiah for turning us into an American state or bend over and take it in the rump.

    Not great choices but this a democracy not utopia.
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    No this is silly, the whole premise is silly and very badly written. I'm the senior officer here and I've not had a funny line yet so I'm stopping it.

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    yeah ...

    these lovely new ir laws

    don't you just love watching parliament on late night tv ...

    and seeing those empty benches ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by eclectic
    yeah ...

    these lovely new ir laws

    don't you just love watching parliament on late night tv ...

    and seeing those empty benches ????
    If ever you wanted a terrorist to blow something up it would be parliment. Not doubt closer to the election John Howard will have such a scenario occur only to be thwarted so he can win the election by fear once again and then introduced his police state laws.
    No this is silly, the whole premise is silly and very badly written. I'm the senior officer here and I've not had a funny line yet so I'm stopping it.

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    watch the rodent do nothing

    Telstra is about to increase yet again the amount it charges other people to use its landlines. Up go your telephone and broadband bills. Watch The rodent do nothing.

    As for Beazley he is asleep at the wheel.

    I think that the French rule applies. Never trust any politician who does not have a high class mistress or preferably two of them.

    I cannot imagine either of the two above having a fancy woman.

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    Downhill

    The only thing that John Howard ever did that I agreed with was the gun law reform brought in after the Port Arthur tragedy in 1996. It would be simplistic to say that Howard was just jumping on a populist bandwagon; there was opposition from shooter groups that could have had some difference in marginal seats. At that point I felt proud of the Australian political system for reducing gun ownership in ways that will never occur in the US.

    But after that point it has been all downhill in Howard's Australia IMO.

    In the last election Howard would have won even if he had become a Dalek for the campaign; Latham was a greenhorn who threw the senate away in Tasmania in the last week. Also, in that election whoever the Labor political strategists were should be shot. They missed the action. Since the democrats heped pass the GST, and became an infighting rabble, their senate vote was going to vanish and flow to someone else. The liberals realised this and had their eye on the senate since then. The Labor strategists were so ignorant of this se nate flow on that they may as well have been four year olds.

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    Unfair to four year olds

    The last poster was unfair to four year olds.

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    apologies to all offended four year olds

    My comment on four year olds was merely one of comparative political understanding. I was making no comment intended to be critical of four year olds in other respects.

    DON'T WATERBOMB ME. I DIDN'T MEAN IT...I KNOW THAT BEING FOUR IS A GREat AGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qpawn
    After all, in Howard's Australia all that matters is me, myself, I and my Telstra share price; nobody cares anymore about scandals, morals or political culpability.
    Actually if people in Australia were just self-interested then there is no way they would allow a government which allows employers to force employees to work on Australia Day. And as for caring about morals we have had far too much of that, albeit very inconsistently applied, from the present regime. So I don't think blaming our present political woes on selfishness vs broader issues is accurate. It's more to do with people being aspirationally rather than defensively self-interested, and with being moralistically rather than materially concerned about others, but even that is oversimplifying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    It's more to do with people being aspirationally rather than defensively self-interested,
    There is not much of a difference. The first wants what they do not have, while thye second wants to keep what they already have. Both are intergral to the "me too" mind set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    There is not much of a difference. The first wants what they do not have, while thye second wants to keep what they already have. Both are intergral to the "me too" mind set.
    I should have defined what I meant by "defensive" more carefully - perhaps a better word would have been more appropriate. I mean a version of self-interest in which one is concerned with protecting oneself from really bad outcomes - this leads to, for instance, support for a good safety net. Defensive self-interest can be an issue where people have got themselves into potentially untenable situations which they then insist on hanging onto - eg interest rates.
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    Vaile is the target

    I watched parlimentary question time today. Beazley looked very limp wristed. Then the member for Griffith started on Vaile. I think that the opposition has identified the weak link.

    Will he stand up to a forensic inch by inch attack? I suspect that the opposition has more shots in the locker and will gradually up the pressure hoping to catch Vaile out.

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    I hope so

    I didn't get to see the parliamentary session.

    Yeah, I hope that Beazley proved me wrong by going on an attack over the AWB scandal.

    There are three possible types of government culpability: criminal, the hardest to prove, political, having administrated or seen the bribes, and economic, having let a scandal happen that isn't doing any trade relations with the US or anyone ese any good.

    I find it hard to see how the government is innocent of all 3 types: there is economic culpability at the very least.

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    Some lobbyist in the USA is calling for some sort of action against the Aus government. Well, I say, if they pull that kind of stunt - let's pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Returning to the original comment...

    Quote Originally Posted by qpawn
    You know Australian politics sucks when:

    Howard introduces IR laws that let employers force their workers to work on Australia day. That is an absolute disgrace - workers are not permitted 1 day in 365 to celebrate their own country's national holiday. I am not much of a patriot; but I am to that extent.

    Kim Beazley is such a gutless wonder that he doesn't even ATTEMPT to attack Howard about workers being forced to work on Jan 26. Any opposition leader with any cajones at all ought to have ROASTED Howard over that issue.
    Hey credit where credit's due: Labor went pretty hard at the IR legislation last year. Australia Day is a poor excuse for a national day and I think there will be better occasions for Beazley to make a point about the IR legislation.
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