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    2006 City Of Brisbane Championships

    Ok Round One has been run and won.

    List of Players.

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    No  Name                       Loc 
    
    1.  PARDOEN, Alain             1949
    2.  EDWARDS, Jacob A           1946
    3.  BAILEY, Cameron R          1802
    4.  LESTER, George E           1778
    5.  AL ZAHER, Louay            1737
    6.  MANONGAS, Jesse            1729
    7.  HACKENSCHMIDT-UECKER, Jorg 1708
    8.  KORENEVSKI, Oleg           1674
    9.  ALKIN, John                1638
    10. VAN PELT, Michael          1613
    11. FLYNN, Chris               1586
    12. BEAN, Richard W            1561
    13. DUGGAN, Howard             1546
    14. FLITCROFT-SMITH, George P  1509
    15. BUCIU, Avram               1448
    16. BRADY, Sean                1371
    17. TANGIMENTUA, Tyson         1360
    18. NUTT, Jeff                 1337
    19. RUSSELL, Luthien           1334
    20. LYONS, Kieran C            1307
    21. RICHARDS, Wilfred          1253
    22. WATERS, Mick               1224
    23. HUMPHREY, John             1216
    24. GRENFELL, Regina           1205
    25. LEGGETT, Brandon           1072
    26. SCOTT, John D.             1067
    27. LLOYD, Martyn              912 
    28. LEGGETT, Callum            837 
    29. WILSON, Sean               820 
    30. ROGERS, Jim                810 
    31. BORRILL, Mark              731 
    32. HURSE, Lachlan                 
    33. LYONS, Russell                 
    34. REDHEAD, Yru

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    Round One Pairings:

    The pairings are not quite what sp would generate due to two late arrivals being paired together, Wilson v Flynn.

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    No Name                       Loc  Total  Result   Name              Loc  Total
    
     1 BRADY, Sean                1371 [0]      0:1    PARDOEN, Alain    1949 [0]  
     2 EDWARDS, Jacob A           1946 [0]      1:0    RUSSELL, Luthien  1334 [0]  
     3 LYONS, Kieran C            1307 [0]      0:1    BAILEY, Cameron R 1802 [0]  
     4 AL ZAHER, Louay            1737 [0]      1:0    RICHARDS, Wilfred 1253 [0]  
     5 WATERS, Mick               1224 [0]      0:1    MANONGAS, Jesse   1729 [0]  
     6 HACKENSCHMIDT-UECKER, Jorg 1708 [0]      1:0    HUMPHREY, John    1216 [0]  
     7 GRENFELL, Regina           1205 [0]      0:1    KORENEVSKI, Oleg  1674 [0]  
     8 ALKIN, John                1638 [0]      1:0    LLOYD, Martyn     912  [0]  
     9 ROGERS, Jim                810  [0]      0:1    VAN PELT, Michael 1613 [0]  
    10 BEAN, Richard W            1561 [0]      1:0    BORRILL, Mark     731  [0]  
    11 HURSE, Lachlan                  [0]      0:1    DUGGAN, Howard    1546 [0]  
    12 FLITCROFT-SMITH, George P  1509 [0]     .5:.5   LYONS, Russell         [0]  
    13 REDHEAD, Yru                    [0]      0:1    BUCIU, Avram      1448 [0]  
    14 WILSON, Sean               820  [0]      0:1    FLYNN, Chris      1586 [0]  
    15 TANGIMENTUA, Tyson         1360 [0]     .5:0    BYE                         
    16 NUTT, Jeff                 1337 [0]     .5:0    BYE                         
    17 SCOTT, John D.             1067 [0]     .5:0    BYE                         
    18 LEGGETT, Brandon           1072 [0]     .5:0    BYE                         
    19 LEGGETT, Callum            837  [0]     .5:0    BYE                         
    20 LESTER, George E           1778 [0]     .5:0    BYE

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    Extremely Provisional Round Two Pairings as generated by sp:

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    No Name               Loc  Total  Result   Name                       Loc  Total
    
     1 PARDOEN, Alain     1949 [1]       :     KORENEVSKI, Oleg           1674 [1]  
     2 VAN PELT, Michael  1613 [1]       :     EDWARDS, Jacob A           1946 [1]  
     3 BAILEY, Cameron R  1802 [1]       :     ALKIN, John                1638 [1]  
     4 FLYNN, Chris       1586 [1]       :     AL ZAHER, Louay            1737 [1]  
     5 MANONGAS, Jesse    1729 [1]       :     BEAN, Richard W            1561 [1]  
     6 DUGGAN, Howard     1546 [1]       :     HACKENSCHMIDT-UECKER, Jorg 1708 [1]  
     7 BUCIU, Avram       1448 [1]       :     LESTER, George E           1778 [.5] 
     8 LEGGETT, Brandon   1072 [.5]      :     FLITCROFT-SMITH, George P  1509 [.5] 
     9 TANGIMENTUA, Tyson 1360 [.5]      :     SCOTT, John D.             1067 [.5] 
    10 NUTT, Jeff         1337 [.5]      :     LEGGETT, Callum            837  [.5] 
    11 LYONS, Russell          [.5]      :     BRADY, Sean                1371 [0]  
    12 RUSSELL, Luthien   1334 [0]       :     WILSON, Sean               820  [0]  
    13 LLOYD, Martyn      912  [0]       :     LYONS, Kieran C            1307 [0]  
    14 RICHARDS, Wilfred  1253 [0]       :     ROGERS, Jim                810  [0]  
    15 BORRILL, Mark      731  [0]       :     WATERS, Mick               1224 [0]  
    16 HUMPHREY, John     1216 [0]       :     HURSE, Lachlan                  [0]  
    17 REDHEAD, Yru            [0]       :     GRENFELL, Regina           1205 [0]  
    

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    There is probably nothing to really comment on at the moment, but just putting them up for future rounds.

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    Now the first differences appear in the pairings between swissperfect98 and swiss master 5.

    One extra player has been added to the draw, Bernie Wilson- unrated player, starting on 0.5 points. This now creates an odd number of players.

    Results from round two:

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    No Name              Loc  Total  Result   Name                       Loc  Total
    
     1 PARDOEN, Alain    1949 [1]      1:0    KORENEVSKI, Oleg           1674 [1]  
     2 VAN PELT, Michael 1613 [1]      0:1    EDWARDS, Jacob A           1946 [1]  
     3 BAILEY, Cameron R 1802 [1]      1:0    ALKIN, John                1638 [1]  
     4 FLYNN, Chris      1586 [1]      0:1    AL ZAHER, Louay            1737 [1]  
     5 MANONGAS, Jesse   1729 [1]      1:0    BEAN, Richard W            1561 [1]  
     6 DUGGAN, Howard    1546 [1]      0:1    HACKENSCHMIDT-UECKER, Jorg 1708 [1]  
     7 BUCIU, Avram      1448 [1]      0:1    LESTER, George E           1778 [.5] 
     8 LEGGETT, Brandon  1072 [.5]     0:1    FLITCROFT-SMITH, George P  1509 [.5] 
     9 WALKER, Tyson     1360 [.5]     1:0    SCOTT, John D.             1067 [.5] 
    10 NUTT, Jeff        1337 [.5]     1:0    LEGGETT, Callum            837  [.5] 
    11 LYONS, Russell         [.5]     1:0    BRADY, Sean                1371 [0]  
    12 RUSSELL, Luthien  1334 [0]      1:0    WILSON, Sean               820  [0]  
    13 LLOYD, Martyn     912  [0]      0:1    LYONS, Kieran C            1307 [0]  
    14 RICHARDS, Wilfred 1253 [0]     .5:.5   ROGERS, Jim                810  [0]  
    15 BORRILL, Mark     731  [0]     .5:.5   WATERS, Mick               1224 [0]  
    16 HUMPHREY, John    1216 [0]      1:0    HURSE, Lachlan                  [0]  
    17 REDHEAD, Yru           [0]      0:1    GRENFELL, Regina           1205 [0]  
    18 WILSON, Bernie A.      [0]     .5:0    BYE
    Last edited by Garvinator; 10-02-2006 at 03:33 AM.

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    Now for the different pairings for round three:

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    SP98:
    
    No Name                       Loc  Total  Result   Name              Loc  Total
    
     1 AL ZAHER, Louay            1737 [2]       :     PARDOEN, Alain    1949 [2]  
     2 EDWARDS, Jacob A           1946 [2]       :     MANONGAS, Jesse   1729 [2]  
     3 HACKENSCHMIDT-UECKER, Jorg 1708 [2]       :     BAILEY, Cameron R 1802 [2]  
     4 LESTER, George E           1778 [1.5]     :     LYONS, Russell         [1.5]
     5 FLITCROFT-SMITH, George P  1509 [1.5]     :     WALKER, Tyson     1360 [1.5]
     6 KORENEVSKI, Oleg           1674 [1]       :     NUTT, Jeff        1337 [1.5]
     7 ALKIN, John                1638 [1]       :     BUCIU, Avram      1448 [1]  
     8 RUSSELL, Luthien           1334 [1]       :     VAN PELT, Michael 1613 [1]  
     9 LYONS, Kieran C            1307 [1]       :     FLYNN, Chris      1586 [1]  
    10 BEAN, Richard W            1561 [1]       :     HUMPHREY, John    1216 [1]  
    11 GRENFELL, Regina           1205 [1]       :     DUGGAN, Howard    1546 [1]  
    12 LEGGETT, Callum            837  [.5]      :     RICHARDS, Wilfred 1253 [.5] 
    13 WATERS, Mick               1224 [.5]      :     WILSON, Bernie A.      [.5] 
    14 ROGERS, Jim                810  [.5]      :     LEGGETT, Brandon  1072 [.5] 
    15 SCOTT, John D.             1067 [.5]      :     BORRILL, Mark     731  [.5] 
    16 BRADY, Sean                1371 [0]       :     WILSON, Sean      820  [0]  
    17 HURSE, Lachlan                  [0]       :     LLOYD, Martyn     912  [0]  
    18 REDHEAD, Yru                    [0]      1:0    BYE



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    SM5:
    
    No Name                       Loc  Total  Result   Name              Loc  Total
    
     1 AL ZAHER, Louay            1737 [2]       :     PARDOEN, Alain    1949 [2]  
     2 EDWARDS, Jacob A           1946 [2]       :     MANONGAS, Jesse   1729 [2]  
     3 HACKENSCHMIDT-UECKER, Jorg 1708 [2]       :     BAILEY, Cameron R 1802 [2]  
     4 LESTER, George E           1778 [1.5]     :     LYONS, Russell         [1.5]
     5 FLITCROFT-SMITH, George P  1509 [1.5]     :     WALKER, Tyson     1360 [1.5]
     6 KORENEVSKI, Oleg           1674 [1]       :     NUTT, Jeff        1337 [1.5]
     7 ALKIN, John                1638 [1]       :     BUCIU, Avram      1448 [1]  
     8 RUSSELL, Luthien           1334 [1]       :     VAN PELT, Michael 1613 [1]  
     9 LYONS, Kieran C            1307 [1]       :     FLYNN, Chris      1586 [1]  
    10 BEAN, Richard W            1561 [1]       :     HUMPHREY, John    1216 [1]  
    11 GRENFELL, Regina           1205 [1]       :     DUGGAN, Howard    1546 [1]  
    12 LEGGETT, Callum            837  [.5]      :     RICHARDS, Wilfred 1253 [.5] 
    13 WATERS, Mick               1224 [.5]      :     ROGERS, Jim       810  [.5] 
    14 WILSON, Bernie A.               [.5]      :     LEGGETT, Brandon  1072 [.5] 
    15 SCOTT, John D.             1067 [.5]      :     BORRILL, Mark     731  [.5] 
    16 BRADY, Sean                1371 [0]       :     REDHEAD, Yru           [0]  
    17 WILSON, Sean               820  [0]       :     LLOYD, Martyn     912  [0]  
    18 HURSE, Lachlan                  [0]      1:0    BYE

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    is anyone going to offer some opinion from the pairing rules about which set of pairings is more correct?

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    I can give you the equitable reasoning that isn't based on any explicit pairing rules... pick the SP98 pairings to give Rogers WBW as opposed to giving S. Wilson WBW since he was a late arrival to round 1 and wasn't paired properly to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthasar
    I can give you the equitable reasoning that isn't based on any explicit pairing rules... pick the SP98 pairings to give Rogers WBW as opposed to giving S. Wilson WBW since he was a late arrival to round 1 and wasn't paired properly to begin with.
    I would like to combine the pairings actually

    Code:
    
    12 LEGGETT, Callum            837  [.5]      :     RICHARDS, Wilfred 1253 [.5] 
    13 WATERS, Mick               1224 [.5]      :     WILSON, Bernie A.      [.5] 
    14 ROGERS, Jim                810  [.5]      :     LEGGETT, Brandon  1072 [.5] 
    15 SCOTT, John D.             1067 [.5]      :     BORRILL, Mark     731  [.5]
    16 BRADY, Sean                1371 [0]       :     REDHEAD, Yru           [0]  
    17 WILSON, Sean               820  [0]       :     LLOYD, Martyn     912  [0]  
    18 HURSE, Lachlan                  [0]      1:0    BYE
    Redhead has had WW, therefore he must get black in his next game. The pairings all match in the same scoregroup with Hurse having the bye.

    In the 0.5 scoregroup, the pairings seem to make more sense for colours etc with the sp pairings.

    Therefore, I would like to combine the pairings.

    This being said, I would like to hear about the pairing rules, instead of just what I would prefer.

    P.S. I would actually like to give S.Wilson the bye in this round so Hurse and Redhead get more rated games.

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    Are you sure that after having added Wilson in round 2 that Swiss Master has him in the same ranking order as SP.

    If not that would account for the difference in the pairings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    Are you sure that after having added Wilson in round 2 that Swiss Master has him in the same ranking order as SP.

    If not that would account for the difference in the pairings.
    Yes.

    Code:
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    No  Name                       Loc 
    
    1.  PARDOEN, Alain             1949
    2.  EDWARDS, Jacob A           1946
    3.  BAILEY, Cameron R          1802
    4.  LESTER, George E           1778
    5.  AL ZAHER, Louay            1737
    6.  MANONGAS, Jesse            1729
    7.  HACKENSCHMIDT-UECKER, Jorg 1708
    8.  KORENEVSKI, Oleg           1674
    9.  ALKIN, John                1638
    10. VAN PELT, Michael          1613
    11. FLYNN, Chris               1586
    12. BEAN, Richard W            1561
    13. DUGGAN, Howard             1546
    14. FLITCROFT-SMITH, George P  1509
    15. BUCIU, Avram               1448
    16. BRADY, Sean                1371
    17. WALKER, Tyson              1360
    18. NUTT, Jeff                 1337
    19. RUSSELL, Luthien           1334
    20. LYONS, Kieran C            1307
    21. RICHARDS, Wilfred          1253
    22. WATERS, Mick               1224
    23. HUMPHREY, John             1216
    24. GRENFELL, Regina           1205
    25. LEGGETT, Brandon           1072
    26. SCOTT, John D.             1067
    27. LLOYD, Martyn              912 
    28. LEGGETT, Callum            837 
    29. WILSON, Sean               820 
    30. ROGERS, Jim                810 
    31. BORRILL, Mark              731 
    32. HURSE, Lachlan                 
    33. LYONS, Russell                 
    34. REDHEAD, Yru                   
    35. WILSON, Bernie A.              
    
    SM5: I havent worked out yet how to export tables etc for SM5, but the list of players is in exactly the same order for SM5 as sp and in SM5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthasar
    I can give you the equitable reasoning that isn't based on any explicit pairing rules... pick the SP98 pairings to give Rogers WBW as opposed to giving S. Wilson WBW since he was a late arrival to round 1 and wasn't paired properly to begin with.
    S. Wilson wasnt a late arrival. You therefore mean B. Wilson not S. Wilson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    S. Wilson wasnt a late arrival. You therefore mean B. Wilson not S. Wilson.
    S. Wilson was a late arrival in round one and was paired with a similar late arrival after the round had started.
    B. Wilson joined the competition in round two and has been given a half point bye.

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    I posted this set of pairings for the 0.5 and 0 score groups earlier.

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    12 LEGGETT, Callum            837  [.5]      :     RICHARDS, Wilfred 1253 [.5] 
    13 WATERS, Mick               1224 [.5]      :     WILSON, Bernie A.      [.5] 
    14 ROGERS, Jim                810  [.5]      :     LEGGETT, Brandon  1072 [.5] 
    15 SCOTT, John D.             1067 [.5]      :     BORRILL, Mark     731  [.5]
    16 BRADY, Sean                1371 [0]       :     REDHEAD, Yru           [0]  
    17 WILSON, Sean               820  [0]       :     LLOYD, Martyn     912  [0]  
    18 HURSE, Lachlan                  [0]      1:0    BYE
    It is a combination of the sp and sm5 pairings. I believe I understand how both programs came to their conclusions.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    In the zero score group, I believe that sp has allocated the bye first ie REDHEAD and then has paired the remaining four players accordingly.

    SM5 has paired the 5 players using S1 and S2 and then has allocated the remaining player as the bye.

    Hence:

    SM5:

    S1: Brady (1), Lloyd (2)
    S2: Wilson. S (3), Hurse (4), Redhead (5).

    Player 1 is paired first from S2 if possible. Brady is a best colour match with Redhead as Redhead is WW from the first two rounds, therefore in his next game he must be black. Brady is WB and so his next colour allocation should be white if possible.

    Therefore it is 1 v 5 (Brady v Redhead)

    Now Lloyd is paired with the first player from S2 (Wilson. S). Lloyd wants black, having been BW in the first two rounds. Wilson S wants white, having been WB in the first two rounds.

    Therefore, both players receive their correct colour allocation and so Hurse gets the bye.

    All in all, I think the difference between SP and SM5 for the zero scoregroup is due to how they have treated the bye.

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    In the 0.5 score group, I think sp is correct.

    The eight players are in seeded order:

    S1: Richards, Waters, Leggett B, Scott
    S2: Leggett C, Rogers, Borrill, Wilson B.

    So, starting with Richards, his first pairing is Leggett C. They are a match for colour allocation (both want opposite colour) and no other player for Richards in S2 has a higher colour demand.

    Therefore both programs give Leggett C v Richards and I agree with them.

    Now the next pairing, I agree with sp which gives Waters v Wilson B.

    My reasoning is: Firstly pair Waters v Rogers, but they both want the same colour (white), therefore the pairing is broken down and a better colour match is attempted to be found for Waters. Waters has already played Borrill, so they cant be paired. So that leaves Wilson B.

    Waters wants White and Wilson has no due colour as he hasnt played a game so far. Therefore Wilson B can either be white or black, so he gets black.

    Also going to the next pairing if Waters v Wilson B, Rogers v Leggett B works for colours well.

    That leaves Scott v Borrill and both get their right colour allocation.

    Therefore I believe the bottom six boards should be:

    Code:
    12 LEGGETT, Callum            837  [.5]      :     RICHARDS, Wilfred 1253 [.5] 
    13 WATERS, Mick               1224 [.5]      :     WILSON, Bernie A.      [.5] 
    14 ROGERS, Jim                810  [.5]      :     LEGGETT, Brandon  1072 [.5] 
    15 SCOTT, John D.             1067 [.5]      :     BORRILL, Mark     731  [.5]
    16 BRADY, Sean                1371 [0]       :     REDHEAD, Yru           [0]  
    17 WILSON, Sean               820  [0]       :     LLOYD, Martyn     912  [0]  
    18 HURSE, Lachlan                  [0]      1:0    BYE
    As i said earlier, I would like Wilson S to have the bye in fact to increase Hurse's amount of rated games, being an unrated player. Am I allowed to swap Wilson and Hurse according to the dutch paring rules? Both Wilson S and Hurse 'want' White in round 3 and so would be a straight swap.
    Last edited by Garvinator; 11-02-2006 at 03:07 AM.

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    Garvin. For what it is worth, I agree with you regarding the what the correct pairings are. I don't understand what SM5 has tried to do with the 0.5 scoregroup. It makes no sense to me at all.
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