2006 Australian Internet Junior Chess Championships Discussion

[jenni]

They might be more intimidated by your hyena avatar Jenni...

Hey P.S. who's the QLD rep?

Nonsense - they've all seen the Lion King and know the Hyena is incredibly cowardly and retreats at the wiff of a challenge.....

[Alan Shore]

Alex, who is the QLD rep, you have not listed them.

[AES]

It is Graeme Gardiner.

More info will be up Sat morning. Sorry about that.

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[Trent Parker]

Last three posts were copy and pasted here from the "welcome - Please read before making comments" thread in Aus Internet jnr champs forum.

when merging forgot to change name. having troubles doing this now.... for some reason.

[AES]

All details + website will be available Wednesday as promised.

Please note that the first round is not the 12th as previously advertised but the 19th of February. Apologies that i didn't put that up earlier.

[Garvinator]

It is Graeme Gardiner.

More info will be up Sat morning. Sorry about that.

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There is no formal qld representative. Nothing came through the caq council for discussion on this matter.

[Bill Gletsos]

There is no formal qld representative. Nothing came through the caq council for discussion on this matter.

Irrelevant.
The event is santioned by the ACF.
The organiser generally has the freedom to choose whoever they wish to be part of their event, just like organisers can choose who they wish to be arbiters.
After all no State Association sanctionmed you as 2IC for Mt. Buller.

If a State Association had an issue with any representative they could take it up with the ACF Council to make a ruling.

[Libby]

Irrelevant.
The event is santioned by the ACF.
The organiser generally has the freedom to choose whoever they wish to be part of their event, just like organisers can choose who they wish to be arbiters.
After all no State Association sanctionmed you as 2IC for Mt. Buller.

If a State Association had an issue with any representative they could take it up with the ACF Council to make a ruling.

I don't think it's entirely irrelevant depending on the way you want the competition or your state organisation to run.

I ran into a similar issue when I was congratulated on my "appointment."

ACTJCL takes responsibility for junior chess in Canberra. At our meeting, I expect ACTJCL will name a delegate for this role and I will happily step down as my cup runneth over (so to speak).

As we are the controlling body for junior chess in the ACT I think it's most appropriate that we select a delegate to be ratified by the tournament organisers (and I can't imagine when this would generate conflict).

Now in some states, if there are conflicting interests and perceived factions & favouritism and any whiff of bias about who these opportunities (selections in effect, to participate) are extended to ...

Do I think there will be these problems? I'd hope not but some undercurrents run deep.

[pax]

It depends on how you view the positions.

If they are 'representatives of the organising committee in each state', then they are the responsibility of the organising committee.

If they are 'representatives of the state on the organising committee', then they are the responsibility of the appropriate state bodies.

I would tend to regard them as the former, unless the state bodies were asked to appoint representatives.

[AES]

Now in some states, if there are conflicting interests and perceived factions & favouritism and any whiff of bias about who these opportunities (selections in effect, to participate) are extended to ...

Do I think there will be these problems? I'd hope not but some undercurrents run deep.

Hi all,

Thanks Libby for your response.

We have tried to avoid the situation where we simply select people who will support our ideas or intentions in the following ways:
- being transparent (as much as possible)
- announcing anything on chesschat.org or via bulletins (Paul B)
- ensuring that we advertise publicly for positions like we did on chesschat.org for state representatives. I haven't had any arguments over our appointments.
-Finally, i have been in constant contact with ACF President Dennis Jessop, and ensured that we are doing things by the book. We ensured that the idea was passed at the National Conference. We have even appointed an ACF representative to ensure that noone can get too much control.
-In regards to the website, we have ensured that there are 3 people who can update results, provide articles etc.
-Also we have 3 of 4 people on teh committee who are against the idea of using ICC. We could have easily left them off the list but we have included them in roles.


I hope this is a satisfactory response to the concerns out there.

I think that in future, all state junior leagues can appoint a rep as Libby suggested. We will be advising the junior leagues to do just that in our next email.

Cheers,
Alex

[Libby]

Sorry, not intending to suggest any conspiracies on behalf of the organisers or the representatives - only that such things can grow legs (and two heads) of their own because of the fragmented and uncooperative nature of junior chess in some areas.

For example, ACTJCL is proposing the allocation of a room for each state for prep & analysis at the 2007 Juniors. Apparently that won't work because some people "can't" be in the same room as others from the same state etc.

And, of course, there are not JCLs in all states to appoint representatives for this anyway.

And pax, I do understand the role that the organisers are looking for and, in effect, I was appointed as their representative in the ACT and not as the ACTJCL's representative for the competition.

But in the day-to-day practical sense of how we run things in Canberra it is far more appropriate that a member of the ACTJCL be appointed (by ACTJCL) to manage our participation in the ACF sanctioned internet competitions. Just as we appoint a team manager to get our players to the Aus Juniors and a coordinator to get our teams to Aus Schools. It's just more in line with how we operate.

[AES]

It is Graeme Gardiner.

More info will be up Sat morning. Sorry about that.

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Apologies that is incorrect. Graeme is QLD rep for disputes committee.

Ian Murray is the temporary QLD rep. Really it hasnt been finalised.

Apologies,
Alex.

[Garvinator]

Apologies that is incorrect. Graeme is QLD rep for disputes committee.

Ian Murray is the temporary QLD rep. Really it hasnt been finalised.

Apologies,
Alex.

Just an update,

CAQ Council is now discussing who to ask about being the qld representative. We should have an answer in a couple of days.

[AES]

We have selected someone, just checking with Ian Murray

[arosar]

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