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    Remarkable performances

    Raymond Song put in an excellent performance. 6/11 in that field is really quite something. His four losses were to players rated more than 300 points higher. His two draws were to players rated more than 200 points higher. Performance rating was around 2320. I cannot understand the people that would make a kid like Raymond wait another two years to play in a tournament of this calibre.

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    I make Moulthun's performance rating around 2306, despite the fact that he played Song and Obst who are both probably under-rated.

    I think Song will pick up about 50 FIDE rating points, and Ly about 30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    I cannot understand the people that would make a kid like Raymond wait another two years to play in a tournament of this calibre.
    who is making him wait another two years?

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    Using FIDE ratings here are the rating performances as calculated by Swiss Perfect.
    Note the Swiss Perfect K factor is 10.
    Code:
    No  Name                Feder Intl Id  Rtg  Score  Exp. Chg*K  Rav Rprfm
    
    1.  Ftacnik, Lubomir    SVK   14900017 2612 7.0/11 7.92    -9 2442  2544
    2.  Rogers, Ian         NSW   3200019  2556 9.0/11 7.37    16 2429  2691
    3.  Schmaltz, Roland    GER   4614054  2544 7.5/11 7.26     2 2423  2556
    4.  Chandler, Murray    ENG   400050   2537 8.0/11 7.48     5 2407  2582
    5.  Johansen, Darryl    VIC   3200035  2462 6.0/11 6.82    -8 2373  2409
    6.  Zhao, Zong-Yuan     NSW   3202534  2461 6.0/11 7.70   -17 2315  2351
    7.  Lane, Gary          NSW   3203301  2445 7.0/11 6.38     6 2390  2492
    8.  Wohl, Alex          NSW   3200345  2439 5.5/11 6.93   -14 2346  2346
    9.  Smerdon, David      VIC   3202305  2421 8.0/11 5.17    28 2439  2614
    10. Solomon, Stephen    QLD   3200043  2415 6.0/11 6.38    -4 2361  2397
    11. Bjelobrk, Igor      VIC   4300726  2399 5.5/11 6.05    -6 2364  2364
    12. Canfell, Greg       NSW   3200418  2354 5.0/11 6.05   -11 2320  2284
    13. Xie, George         NSW   3202933  2340 5.5/11 5.39     1 2348  2348
    14. Goldenberg, Igor    VIC   3201970  2335 6.5/11 6.49     0 2272  2337
    15. Humphrey, Jonathan  QLD   3203514  2254 4.5/10 5.20    -7 2243  2207
    16. Guthrie, Aaron      SA    3203158  2251 4.5/10 5.20    -7 2235  2199
    17. Levi, Eddy          VIC   3200183  2241 1.0/5  1.95   -10 2322  2082
    18. Smirnov, Vladimir   NSW   4126505  2235 5.5/11 4.18    13 2321  2321
    19. Dougherty, Michael  CAN   2601559  2223 2.0/9  4.14   -21 2255  2035
    20. Caoili, Arianne     QLD   5201179  2207 3.0/10 5.00   -20 2207  2058
    21. Lakner, Jay         WA    3203867  2207 2.5/9  4.05   -16 2245  2079
    22. Booth, Stewart      VIC   3200221  2179 3.5/10 4.40    -9 2219  2109
    23. Ly, Moulthun        QLD   3204405  2162 6.0/11 3.96    20 2267  2303
    24. Bird, Andrew        NSW   3204502  2146 3.5/9  3.87    -4 2197  2117
    25. Pyke, Malcolm       VIC   3203387  2126 5.0/11 3.52    15 2260  2224
    26. Wallis, Christopher VIC   3204839  2114 3.0/9  3.60    -6 2185  2060
    27. Moylan, Laura       NSW   3202542  2112 3.5/9  2.52    10 2281  2201
    28. Song, Raymond       NSW   3203824  2051 6.0/11 2.53    35 2263  2299
    29. Obst, James         SA    3204537  2012 3.0/10 2.10     9 2243  2094
    30. Frame, Nigel        TAS            *    0.5/10            2171  1701
    Last edited by Bill Gletsos; 11-01-2006 at 03:45 PM.
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    Using ACF ratings here are the rating performances as calculated by Swiss Perfect.
    Note where the player had no ACF rating their FIDE rating was used.
    Code:
    No  Name                Feder Loc Id  Loc  Score  Exp.  Rav Rprfm
    
    1.  Ftacnik, Lubomir    SVK   0167161 2690 7.0/11 8.80 2446  2548
    2.  Rogers, Ian         NSW   2035103 2631 9.0/11 8.36 2431  2693
    3.  Schmaltz, Roland    GER   4535950 2530 7.5/11 6.93 2436  2569
    4.  Chandler, Murray    ENG           2537 8.0/11 7.59 2397  2572
    5.  Johansen, Darryl    VIC   3077431 2453 6.0/11 6.60 2383  2419
    6.  Zhao, Zong-Yuan     NSW   2055943 2475 6.0/11 8.03 2297  2333
    7.  Lane, Gary          NSW   0165606 2484 7.0/11 6.82 2394  2496
    8.  Wohl, Alex          NSW   4028825 2538 5.5/11 8.25 2345  2345
    9.  Smerdon, David      VIC   4152022 2405 8.0/11 4.73 2454  2629
    10. Solomon, Stephen    QLD   4138176 2391 6.0/11 6.27 2344  2380
    11. Bjelobrk, Igor      VIC   3106496 2408 5.5/11 5.94 2379  2379
    12. Canfell, Greg       NSW   2013230 2296 5.0/11 5.06 2326  2290
    13. Xie, George         NSW   2064602 2324 5.5/11 4.95 2362  2362
    14. Goldenberg, Igor    VIC   3098685 2315 6.5/11 6.38 2255  2320
    15. Humphrey, Jonathan  QLD   4164722 2189 5.5/11 5.39 2199  2199
    16. Guthrie, Aaron      SA    5203763 2120 5.5/11 4.29 2197  2197
    17. Levi, Eddy          VIC   3079225 2235 1.0/5  1.90 2325  2085
    18. Smirnov, Vladimir   NSW   1280924 2237 5.5/11 4.51 2301  2301
    19. Dougherty, Michael  CAN           2223 3.0/10 5.60 2181  2032
    20. Caoili, Arianne     QLD   0064381 2293 4.0/11 7.59 2148  2046
    21. Lakner, Jay         WA    6244174 2145 3.5/10 4.50 2183  2073
    22. Booth, Stewart      VIC   3071481 2184 4.5/11 5.72 2170  2105
    23. Ly, Moulthun        QLD   4202360 2148 6.0/11 3.63 2271  2307
    24. Bird, Andrew        NSW   2061366 2105 4.0/10 4.50 2141  2069
    25. Pyke, Malcolm       VIC   3097031 2079 5.0/11 2.97 2255  2219
    26. Wallis, Christopher VIC   3110804 2055 4.0/10 3.60 2157  2085
    27. Moylan, Laura       NSW   1275276 2093 4.5/10 3.00 2241  2205
    28. Song, Raymond       NSW   2069513 2073 6.0/11 2.64 2271  2307
    29. Obst, James         SA    5205423 2054 4.0/11 2.97 2229  2127
    30. Frame, Nigel        TAS   7290415 1850 0.5/10 1.50 2146  1676
    Last edited by Bill Gletsos; 14-01-2006 at 04:47 PM. Reason: removed rating gain as figure is misleading as it bears no relevance to the ACF system
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    Using FIDE ratings here are the rating performances as calculated by Swiss Perfect.
    Note the Swiss Perfect K factor is 10.
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    No  Name                Feder Intl Id  Rtg  Score  Exp. Chg*K  Rav Rprfm
    
    1.  Ftacnik, Lubomir    SVK   14900017 2612 7.0/11 7.92    -9 2442  2544
    2.  Rogers, Ian         NSW   3200019  2556 9.0/11 7.37    16 2429  2691
    3.  Schmaltz, Roland    GER   4614054  2544 7.5/11 7.26     2 2423  2556
    4.  Chandler, Murray    ENG   400050   2537 8.0/11 7.48     5 2407  2582
    5.  Johansen, Darryl    VIC   3200035  2462 6.0/11 6.82    -8 2373  2409
    6.  Zhao, Zong-Yuan     NSW   3202534  2461 6.0/11 7.70   -17 2315  2351
    7.  Lane, Gary          NSW   3203301  2445 7.0/11 6.38     6 2390  2492
    8.  Wohl, Alex          NSW   3200345  2439 5.5/11 6.93   -14 2346  2346
    9.  Smerdon, David      VIC   3202305  2421 8.0/11 5.17    28 2439  2614
    10. Solomon, Stephen    QLD   3200043  2415 6.0/11 6.38    -4 2361  2397
    11. Bjelobrk, Igor      VIC   4300726  2399 5.5/11 6.05    -6 2364  2364
    12. Canfell, Greg       NSW   3200418  2354 5.0/11 6.05   -11 2320  2284
    13. Xie, George         NSW   3202933  2340 5.5/11 5.39     1 2348  2348
    14. Goldenberg, Igor    VIC   3201970  2335 6.5/11 6.49     0 2272  2337
    15. Humphrey, Jonathan  QLD   3203514  2254 4.5/10 5.20    -7 2243  2207
    16. Guthrie, Aaron      SA    3203158  2251 4.5/10 5.20    -7 2235  2199
    17. Levi, Eddy          VIC   3200183  2241 1.0/5  1.95   -10 2322  2082
    18. Smirnov, Vladimir   NSW   4126505  2235 5.5/11 4.18    13 2321  2321
    19. Dougherty, Michael  CAN   2601559  2223 2.0/9  4.14   -21 2255  2035
    20. Caoili, Arianne     QLD   5201179  2207 3.0/10 5.00   -20 2207  2058
    21. Lakner, Jay         WA    3203867  2207 2.5/9  4.05   -16 2245  2079
    22. Booth, Stewart      VIC   3200221  2179 3.5/10 4.40    -9 2219  2109
    23. Ly, Moulthun        QLD   3204405  2162 6.0/11 3.96    20 2267  2303
    24. Bird, Andrew        NSW   3204502  2146 3.5/9  3.87    -4 2197  2117
    25. Pyke, Malcolm       VIC   3203387  2126 5.0/11 3.52    15 2260  2224
    26. Wallis, Christopher VIC   3204839  2114 3.0/9  3.60    -6 2185  2060
    27. Moylan, Laura       NSW   3202542  2112 3.5/9  2.52    10 2281  2201
    28. Song, Raymond       NSW   3203824  2051 6.0/11 2.53    35 2263  2299
    29. Obst, James         SA    3204537  2012 3.0/10 2.10     9 2243  2094
    30. Frame, Nigel        TAS            *    0.5/10            2171  1701

    Bill, great job!

    One question though. Isn't it true that January FIDE ratings are used for this competition, rather than the october ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drug
    Bill, great job!

    One question though. Isn't it true that January FIDE ratings are used for this competition, rather than the october ones?
    Since it began before the January ratings were released, I believe the Obtober ratings are used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    Since it began before the January ratings were released, I believe the Obtober ratings are used.
    This contradicts to what Charlz was saying.

    Edit: He was saying that october ratings are used for pairings only and actual calculations are to be done using january ratings.
    Last edited by Vlad; 11-01-2006 at 04:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drug
    Bill, great job!

    One question though. Isn't it true that January FIDE ratings are used for this competition, rather than the october ones?
    FIDE has always used the ratings in effect at the time the event started. As such the October FIDE ratings would be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drug
    This contradicts to what Charlz was saying.

    Edit: He was saying that october ratings are used for pairings only and actual calculations are to be done using january ratings.
    I'm pretty sure that's wrong.

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    As an example if you check out Topalov's January rating calculations on the FIDE website you will see that his world Championship results from San Luis were calculated based on his July rating of 2788 because the event started prior to the release of the October FIDE ratings on 27/9/2006.
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    The October FIDE ratings are definitely the ones to be used for a tournament starting in December.
    The Swiss Perfect ratings changes are really just a rough guide, as the program not only uses a 10 K factor for those under 2400 (when it should be 15 or even 25 for newish players) but it also ignores the 336 rule, adjuting players up or down if they are rated more than 336 points above or below their opponent.

    Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Rogers
    The October FIDE ratings are definitely the ones to be used for a tournament starting in December.
    Thanks for confirming that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Rogers
    The Swiss Perfect ratings changes are really just a rough guide, as the program not only uses a 10 K factor for those under 2400 (when it should be 15 or even 25 for newish players) but it also ignores the 336 rule, adjuting players up or down if they are rated more than 336 points above or below their opponent.
    Ian,
    I used the option in Swiss Perfect to use the FIDE 350 rule so theoretically that shouldnt be an issue, however as you noted Swiss Perfect does not allow multiple K factors so I was left with no choice but to choose one.
    I used a K of 10 because for those that know the FIDE K factor rules they could easily multiple the points by either 1.5 or 2.5 for K's of 15 or 25 respectively.
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    Thanks, Bill - I stand corrected about Swiss Perfect and the 336/350 rule.

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    Have moved discussion largely related to selections policy to the "culture of selection" thread.

    The following list gives performance relative to rating for all competitors, using ACF ratings. I don't know where one sets the bar for "remarkable" but anything +100 and above over 11 rounds of such a tough event is very good indeed.

    Song +234, Smerdon +224, Ly +159, Pyke +140, Moylan +113, Guthrie +77, Obst +73, Smirnov +64, Rogers +62, Schmaltz +39, Xie +38, Chandler +35, Wallis +30, Lane +12, Humphrey +10, Goldenberg +5, Canfell -6, Solomon -11, Bjelobrk -29, Johansen -34, Bird -36, Lakner -72, Booth -79, Ftacnik -142, Zhao -142, Levi -150, Frame -174, Dougherty -189, Wohl -193, Caoili -247.

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