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    Oh, well, it has to be right because the UN kakistocracy says so. Meanwhile, they say nothing of Hamas' double war crime of launching rockets at Israeli civilians while hiding the launchers among their own civilians. And what do you think happens to those who protest against Hamas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Oh, well, it has to be right because the UN kakistocracy says so. Meanwhile, they say nothing of Hamas' double war crime of launching rockets at Israeli civilians while hiding the launchers among their own civilians. And what do you think happens to those who protest against Hamas?
    There are plenty of other sources you can choose from, e.g.

    Israel Confirms Video of Sniper Shooting Unarmed Palestinian, as Soldiers Cheer, Is Genuine

    Second Palestinian journalist dies of wounds from IDF sniper fire

    Massacre in Gaza: Israeli Forces Open Fire on Palestinians, Killing 18, Wounding As Many As 1,700

    The use of lethal force against unarmed protesters is barbaric. It is their land being illegally occupied by Israeli military and settlers.
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    Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman: Palestinians Need To Negotiate Or 'Shut Up And Stop Complaining'
    Frank Camp, 29 April 2018

    According to Barak Ravid of Israel’s Channel 10 News and Axios, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman shocked Jewish attendees during a meeting in New York in March, saying:

    In the last several decades the Palestinian leadership has missed one opportunity after the other and rejected all the peace proposals it was given. It is about time the Palestinians take the proposals and agree to come to the negotiations table or shut up and stop complaining.

    Bin Salman also slammed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, reports Ravid, citing inside sources.
    “If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.” — Abba Eban on the UN general assembly

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    Except Israel refuses to negotiate while Palestine pays Israeli-held prisoners and their families

    Why the PA can't — and won't — stop paying prisoners' families
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    22.4.18

    The Israeli demand that the Palestinian Authority stop paying the families of prisoners in Israeli jails has spread like wildfire over the past year. It has become part of Israel’s hasbara arsenal, heard again and again, mainly whenever Israel fears that the international community — or, worse, the United States — intends to present a peace plan. In those cases, the demand appears to come from everywhere: from Israeli decision-makers and pundits, academics and online comments sections. Thus, it has become a slogan — hollow, yet effective....

    A deeper, critical examination, however, reveals that Israelis who want peace — and all those concerned about the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict — should be angry at the current government and the hasbara apparatus. Because the PA obviously cannot accept the Israeli demand in anyway, Israel’s strategy, in practice, amounts to an attempt to prevent any possible progress or resolution to the conflict.

    As a reminder: Israel and the Palestinians are anything but at peace. The Palestinians are engaged — still — in an ongoing struggle for their own state and for freedom from the Israeli occupation. As terrible as this sounds to Israeli ears, from the Palestinian perspective the enemy is clearly the Israeli soldier, policeman, security guard, or settler in the West Bank, which for Palestinians (and for every country in the world except for Israel and the U.S.), is called the “Occupied Palestinian Territories.”

    In keeping with this Palestinian perspective, it is not surprising that most of the violent actions for which Palestinians are currently imprisoned in Israeli jails were committed in the Occupied Territories, mostly against soldiers, security guards, and settlers. And while the PA did not send these Palestinians to commit these acts of violence, the PA, within the context of the Palestinian liberation struggle, cannot ignore them....

    The Palestinian Authority cannot move in any direction. If it continues to support the families of Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, it gives credence to the Israeli charge that it supports terrorism, and the Israeli government can continue to maintain the status quo of endless occupation and no peace negotiations. If the PA were to announce an end to financial support to prisoners’ families, it would lose its legitimacy and cease to exist.

    This may be a victory for Israeli hasbara, but it is loss for all those concerned with Israel’s future.

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    Video: Médecins Sans Frontičres clinic overwhelmed by Palestinians wounded during March of Return
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    4.5.18

    Since the “Great March of Return” in Gaza began on March 30th, Israeli forces have violently suppressed the protests, killing over 40 Palestinians and injuring over 6,000 more. Doctors in Gaza have expressed concern that protesters have been targeted in the legs by Israeli live fire, noting Israel’s use of expanding or explosive bullets, that tear through soft tissue and make injuries extremely difficult to treat.

    According to the Gaza Ministry of Health, as of May 3, at least 24 Palestinians have had their legs amputated due to their wounds. Israel has continued to justify its use of live fire against civilian protesters, claiming that the protesters “pose a threat” to its security fence.

    [Note: Anti-personnel expanding or explosive ammunition is prohibited under international law]
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    Excellent Trump: keeping a promise that other presidents broke

    Promise Kept: Trump Administration Officially Opens U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem
    Katie Pavlich, 14 May 2018

    After decades of empty pledges to move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, President Trump made good on his promise to do so Monday afternoon.

    "Today, we finally acknowledge the obvious: that Jerusalem is Israel's capital," President Trump said.

    President Trump did not attend, but delivered remarks through video.

    White House Senior Advisor Ivanka Trump and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, both part of the presidential delegation sent to Jerusalem over the weekend, officially unveiled the U.S. Embassy seal Monday afternoon.
    “If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.” — Abba Eban on the UN general assembly

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    Once again, Trump is doing something that provides no real benefit to the US (or Israel), but really helps his boss Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Once again, Trump is doing something that provides no real benefit to the US (or Israel), but really helps his boss Putin.
    Boss Putin...
    Any evidence to support this statement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Excellent Trump: keeping a promise that other presidents broke
    Promise Kept: Trump Administration Officially Opens U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem
    Katie Pavlich, 14 May 2018

    After decades of empty pledges to move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, President Trump made good on his promise to do so Monday afternoon.

    "Today, we finally acknowledge the obvious: that Jerusalem is Israel's capital," President Trump said....
    So much for Trump's promise to bring peace to the Middle ast

    Under Trump, the U.S. has abandoned the last shred of balance on Israel
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    14.5.18

    ...The decision to move our embassy to Jerusalem was a symbolic one, but it is a vitally important symbol. Because both Israel and the Palestinians claim the city as their capital, no country had put an embassy there, choosing instead to locate them in Tel Aviv. Previous presidents have promised to move our embassy but not followed through, one after another deciding it would only inflame tensions. The fact that others had promised it, but not delivered, was no doubt a powerful incentive for Trump to relocate the embassy, since he loves being able to say he did what nobody else could do. It’s also obvious he feels absolutely no concern or empathy for the Palestinians and their fate.

    David Friedman, who was appointed as the U.S. ambassador to Israel with zero diplomatic experience — though he was Trump’s bankruptcy lawyer — gave an extraordinary interview to NPR on Monday, during which he made the United States’s new position clear. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Boss Putin... Any evidence to support this statement?
    Almost every news item about Trump and Russia!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Almost every news item about Trump and Russia!?
    But any evidence that Trump is connected to Putin? As of now there are US sanctions against Russia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    But any evidence that Trump is connected to Putin? As of now there are US sanctions against Russia...
    Sanctions which Trump opposed, and delayed for several months.

    As for the connections.

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    The UN kakistocracy's hypocrisy on Israel exposed—in a far-left website!

    Ten Ways Israel Is Treated Differently
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    Huffington Post [itself über-leftist], 14 June 2016

    It’s appalling to see how Israel is treated by a totally different standard than other countries in the international system. Of course, Israel deserves scrutiny, as does every other nation. But it also merits equal treatment — nothing more, nothing less.

    First, Israel is the only UN member state whose very right to exist is under constant challenge.

    Third, Israel is the only nation whose capital city, Jerusalem, is not recognized by other nations.

    Imagine the absurdity of this. Foreign diplomats live in Tel Aviv while conducting virtually all their business in Jerusalem. Though no Western nation questions Israel’s presence in the city’s western half, where the prime minister’s office, Knesset (Parliament), and Ministry of Foreign Affairs are located, there are no embassies there.

    And tenth, Israel is the only country targeted by the BDS (boycott, divestment, and sanctions) movement.

    Has anyone seen any significant campus activity that takes aim at true human rights offenders, including some in Israel’s neighborhood, who behead, forcibly convert, and expel Christians; drop chemically-laced barrel bombs on civilians; deny Palestinians full rights; and use capital punishment, including for minors, with abandon?

    Has any student group tried to prevent undergraduates from traveling to any country other than Israel, as was the case with a recent “pledge” circulated at UCLA?

    Has anyone seen any flotillas or flytillas organized by European far-left groups that don’t involve an anti-Israel angle?

    Has anyone seen movements for companies to pull out of any country other than Israel?

    Turkey, as but one example, has brazenly and unjustifiably occupied one-third of the island nation of Cyprus for 41 years, deployed an estimated 40,000 Turkish troops there, and transferred countless settlers from Anatolia, yet there’s not a peep against Ankara from those who purport to act in the name of “justice” and against “occupation.”

    Given political realities, tackling any of these instances of egregious double standards and blatant hypocrisy can be a daunting challenge. And, still worse, this list is not complete.
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    UN kakistocracy besieges Israel then feigns surprise that Israel feels besieged

    THE SIEGE OF ISRAEL
    The demonisation of Israel is nurturing a new kind of conflict.
    BRENDAN O’NEILL, 15 MAY 2018

    There is a grim irony to the florid condemnations of Israel being made by Western observers and politicians following the killing of 60 Palestinians at the Gaza border yesterday. Many of these people who are so disgusted by Israel’s behaviour, so agitated by what it has done that they plan to take to the streets later today to register their fury, have played a significant role in the great beleaguering of Israel in recent years. In the transformation of Israel into an illegitimate entity. In the reduction of it to a uniquely ‘rogue’ state. In the treatment of it as fair game for isolation, boycotting, attack, and possibly destruction: Israel is the only nation on Earth whose erasure can casually become a topic for dinner-party chatter.

    And you cannot beleaguer a state like this and then feign surprise when said state feels beleaguered. You cannot contribute to the moral isolation of Israel and then be shocked to discover that Israel feels isolated, and fragile, and possibly on edge, and consequently deeply concerned with defending its borders—borders that so much of the world hates or at least contests—from a hostile incursion. At least, if you are a serious person you cannot do this.

    Should Israel have let the protesters tear down the fences? And enter Israeli territory? And in the process call into question the very integrity of the state of Israel? If people’s answer to these questions is ‘Yes’, then they are asking of Israel something they are unlikely to ask of any other state on Earth. And that is to judge Israel by a double standard, by the ultimate double standard.
    “If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.” — Abba Eban on the UN general assembly

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    There is a difference between stopping people from entering your territory and killing them.

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