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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Waverley Council and the Land and Environment Court judged that, from the developer's own security assessment, the site design included protection of those inside from threats ranging from a 500kg truck bomb to molotov cocktail or chemical attacks, but no consideration was given to protecting neighbours or passers-by from those attacks.
    You mean from followers of the Religion of Peace? So the terrorists have won already.
    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
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    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    ... So the terrorists have won already.
    Only because the developers, or their security assessor, massively overestimated the danger of an attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    You mean from followers of the Religion of Peace? So the terrorists have won already.
    There has been only one terrorist attack against Jewish targets in Australia, and that was 35 years ago. The perpetrators remain unknown. There are small anti-semitic groups, ranging from the far right to the far left, but none pose any known terrorism threat.

    Recent terrorist plots/attacks by ISIS sympathisers have been directed against police or security forces, or nations engaged in military action against ISIS. The most recent plot was to destroy an Emirates aircraft leaving Sydney, i.e. an Arab target. Jews and Jewish property have been unaffected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Only because the developers, or their security assessor, massively overestimated the danger of an attack.
    Or the antisemitic council.
    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
    The Left: We shouldn't judge all Muslims by the actions of a few thousand.

    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Or the antisemitic council.
    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
    So einfach wie möglich, aber nicht einfacher - Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Or the antisemitic council.
    The council, and the court, accepted the security assessment provided by the Jewish developers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    The council, and the court, accepted the security assessment provided by the Jewish developers.
    Australian Municipality: Don’t Blame Us For Banning Sydney Synagogue
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    SYDNEY (JTA) — A municipal council in a suburb of Australia’s largest city said it was not to blame for a decision to ban the construction of a synagogue because it could become the target of a terrorist attack.

    In a statement Friday, the Waverley Council asserted that the decision to reject the synagogue was made by a local land use court, which said the congregation had not addressed the security concerns raised by the congregation in its development application.

    “Waverley Council did not refuse this development application,” the council said. “It was a decision of the Land and Environment Court and confirms that a synagogue is a permitted use at this location.”

    The Chabad congregation, known as Friends of Refugees of Eastern Europe, or FREE, sought to build a synagogue near the popular Bondi Beach in suburban Sydney. It called the application’s rejection a reward for terrorism.

    According to the council, FREE submitted a risk analysis report prepared by a counterterrorism consultant as part of its development application. The report described a number of potential risks and threats to the synagogue. The council noted that FREE sought a ruling from the Land and Environment Court, which ruled that the potential risks were not sufficiently addressed.

    “The Waverley community is enriched by our diverse faiths and places of worship, including our synagogues,” the council said in its statement. “Waverley Council has a strong history of partnerships with the Jewish community and will continue to work closely with the Jewish community and Jewish organisations.”

    One of Waverley’s three Jewish councilors, Leon Goltsman, told JTA: “The record shows exactly how much this council actually does for the Jewish community, and it’s distressing the way mainstream media is so quick to jump onto a story without first researching the facts.”

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    John Roskam, IPA, on the inconsistency of the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies:

    Following my email last Friday many IPA members have been in touch with me to ask whether there's any update on the decision made last week by the NSW Land and Environment Court to stop the building of a synagogue in Bondi in Sydney because it could be attacked by terrorists. The local council involved, the Waverley Council, supported the Court's decision.

    I said last week that I completely agreed with the words of Vic Alhadeff, the chief executive of the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies, when he said - "This simply shows how we're losing all our freedoms. Those who want us to be afraid are winning, and this ill-conceived judgment represents a dangerous precedent." Indeed.

    I pointed out though that the problem with Alhadeff's remarks is that he and the Board of Deputies had a somewhat inconsistent approach to freedom. He and the Board led the opposition to Tony Abbott fulfilling his election promise to repeal Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. Put simply, if you lose freedom of speech, freedom of religion follows soon after.
    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
    The Left: We shouldn't judge all Muslims by the actions of a few thousand.

    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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    By not defending Freedom of speech they enabled an attack on freedom of religion
    Whale Oil, after Janet Albrechtesen, Australian

    The starting place is the decades-long assault by many on the left to freedom of expression and the concomitant complacency by others towards these assaults. When the human right to freedom of expression is not protected from attacks by social justice warriors, anti-discrimination divas and the political correctness police, other human rights will be imperilled.

    That’s the conundrum for Jewish leaders. They were public opponents of reforming section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, a law that strikes at the heart of freedom of expression in Australia. Their vocal opposition was enough to send then prime minister Tony Abbott into a meek retreat, ditching an election promise to defend freedom of speech. But those who walk away from freedom of expression inevitably make it easier for others to sideline freedoms, too.

    It’s one thing for Jewish leaders to advocate for laws to punish speech that incites violence. But when you defend laws that protect hurt feelings, don’t be surprised when other freedoms are curbed for the wrong reasons. Fine intentions don’t guarantee good outcomes, whether its shutting down speech that offends a person’s feelings or blocking the building of a Bondi synagogue because of the risk of Islamist terrorism.

    There are far more egregious precedents of human rights hypocrisy. Not so long ago we had a president of the AHRC in Gillian Triggs who spoke in Orwellian language about a “failure” of the Australian parliament that human rights were not adequately protected through a bill of rights. Then she added that “sadly, you can say what you like around the kitchen table at home”. When even the nation’s human right commissioner vacates the space on freedom of expression, it’s no surprise that Queensland education bureaucrats have issued a statewide edict that states children must not hand out Christmas cards or talk about Jesus. Freedom to practise religion is an expression of free speech.
    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
    The Left: We shouldn't judge all Muslims by the actions of a few thousand.

    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    By not defending Freedom of speech they enabled an attack on freedom of religion Whale Oil, after Janet Albrechtesen, Australian
    …or blocking the building of a Bondi synagogue because of the risk of Islamist terrorism.
    Rubbish - it wasn't blocked because of the risk of terrorism, it was blocked because of the lack of protections in the plan!

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    ...it’s no surprise that Queensland education bureaucrats have issued a statewide edict that states children must not hand out Christmas cards or talk about Jesus..…
    Complete and total rubbish! I wish you would check the primary sources, instead of relying on these money-making right-wing sites!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Rubbish - it wasn't blocked because of the risk of terrorism, it was blocked because of the lack of protections in the plan!

    Complete and total rubbish! I wish you would check the primary sources, instead of relying on these money-making right-wing sites!
    Never let the truth get in the way of a good beat-up!

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    Another non-Islamic terrorist attack in the USA overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Another non-Islamic terrorist attack in the USA overnight.
    Ah yes, he was photographed holding a shield of Vanguard America, an anti-gay anti-semitic Protestant fascist group with lengthy religious outpourings on its website. Just like being seen with an ISIS flag.

    There is no point beating about the bush with these terrorists, with loose PC equivalence that their behaviour had nothing to do with their faith. We know who they are as soon as we hear their names and we know what faith they come from. It is time for all Christian elders and politicians to speak out against this travesty or else be responsible for more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Rubbish—it wasn't blocked because of the risk of terrorism, it was blocked because of the lack of protections in the plan!
    Protections against what? Oh that's right, all these Anglican and Buddhist terrorists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Complete and total rubbish! I wish you would check the primary sources, instead of relying on these money-making right-wing sites!
    The Australian is a right-wing site? What does that make The Age, ABC?
    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
    The Left: We shouldn't judge all Muslims by the actions of a few thousand.

    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Ah yes, he was photographed holding a shield of Vanguard America,
    At first I was wondering how the eminent mutual (managed) fund company Vanguard that pioneered index investing would be caught up in this, but it's evidently something else with the same name.

    an anti-gay anti-semitic Protestant fascist group with lengthy religious outpourings on its website. Just like being seen with an ISIS flag.
    The site shows all this antibiblical Nazi claptrap about "blood and soil" (even its URL) and hero worship of the pagan Roman Republic, and is rabidly anti-capitalist:

    America was built in the image of the Roman Republic. Its capitol, imagery, and goals were set with good intentions on that foundation. … A Nation For Our People—An America based on the immutable truths of Blood and Soil. … Vanguard America stands indomitably opposed to the tyranny of globalism and capitalism, a system under which nations are stripped of their heritage and their people are turned into nothing more than units of cheap, expendable labor.

    Probably this mob were the only white supremacists still in America, apart from about a few thousand who are still members of the Democrat-founded KKK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    There is no point beating about the bush with these terrorists, with loose PC equivalence that their behaviour had nothing to do with their faith. We know who they are as soon as we hear their names and we know what faith they come from. It is time for all Christian elders and politicians to speak out against this travesty or else be responsible for more.
    [/parody]
    You mean like this:


    So where is the Imam March in Silent Solidarity against those claiming Islam as support for terrorism?

    Or perhaps:


    Cruz (the one I wanted to win the GOP primary but couldn't because of the conceited morons like Kasich staying in long after they had no chance of winning) also said:

    It's tragic and heartbreaking to see hatred and racism once again mar our great Nation with bloodshed. Heidi's and my prayers are with the loved ones of those killed and injured in the ongoing violence in Charlottesville. The First Amendment protects the rights of all Americans to speak their minds peaceably, but violence, brutality, and murder have no place in a civilized society.

    The Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists are repulsive and evil, and all of us have a moral obligation to speak out against the lies, bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred that they propagate. Having watched the horrifying video of the car deliberately crashing into a crowd of protesters, I urge the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act of domestic terrorism.

    These bigots want to tear our country apart, but they will fail. America is far better than this. Our Nation was built on fundamental truths, none more central than the proposition "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".

    Compare that to Obamov calling the Fort Hood terrorist attack "workplace violence".

    Or maybe:

    Letter from Berlin: The Lessons of History and the Heresy of Racial Superiority by Al Mohler.
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    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
    The Left: We shouldn't judge all Muslims by the actions of a few thousand.

    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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