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    Monster of the deep Kevin Bonham's Avatar
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    Political compasses and other online politics tests.

    Had a thread about this on the old forum here just before we moved to chesschat. I'll copy my first post straight from there for those who haven't seen the thread before:

    This is a rather nifty model for assessing people's political views on a two-dimensional scale. Like any model it's not perfect, but it's a heck of a lot better than the tired old left/right nonsense. If any posters here would like to take the test - particularly those who are active on politics, war and religion threads - I'd be interested to see what you got. I've even written down some advance guesses for some particular posters, which I expect to be very inaccurate given the limited range of issues covered here.

    Warnings - some of the questions (c.40) are a bit curly and may take some thought. Also there are no "correct"/"incorrect" answers, just a series of statements that you can agree or disagree with. It doesn't let you leave questions out.

    My result:

    Economic Left/Right: -1.68
    Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03
    Now there is a new Australian Politics one (but it is only the test version!):

    http://www.ozpolitics.info/blog/?page_id=206

    This gives you a rating for each Australian political party, as well as general left/right scores and left/right breakdowns for economic issues, social issues and traditional values.

    Here are my results on this one:

    One Nation 43.5
    Family First 27.6
    National 35.1
    Liberal 50.0
    ALP 69.0
    Aus Dems 78.8
    Aus Greens 70.5

    overall alignment -44.5 (left)
    economic policy 4.2 (centre)
    social policy -1.1 (centre)
    traditional values -100 (extreme left)

    Based on some of the above scores I think it needs more work. In particular I found I was answering "strongly agree" or "strongly disagree" to every second question and thus the issues that I felt really deeply about - as opposed to having a strong opinion but it not being a real vote-shifter - were not being picked out. Hence some of the party scores above are higher than I think they should be.

    Have fun!

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    Thanks Kev.

    Obviously the measurements are a little crude but it's as much infotainment as it is a survey of the political spectrum.

    My results were not overly dissimilar to your own:

    One Nation 51.3
    Family First 48.7
    National 46.3
    Liberal 56.6
    ALP 68.3
    Democrats 77.7
    Aus Greens 66.6

    overall alignment -21.9 (centre-left)
    economic policy -14.7 (centre-left)
    social policy -13.5 (centrist)
    traditional values -50 (left)

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    Some of those questions were difficult cos they were too black and white.. also, this question:

    27. Crime is caused by a breakdown in traditional values and individuals not taking responsibility for their own actions

    I'd say no to the first part but a big yes to the second part, so that was kind of ambiguous.

    Anyway:

    One Nation 46.3%
    Family First 39.8%
    National Party 43%
    Liberal Party 56%
    Labor Party 65.5%
    Australian Democrats 58%
    The Greens 52.9%


    overall alignment -18.8% (centre-left)

    economic policy 2.1%
    social policy 4.5%.
    traditional values -36.4%.
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    The trick with these things is to answer the questions quickly without thinking too hard otherwise you find the questions are unanswerable.

    Try to beat this result.

    One Nation 34.5
    Family First 36.1
    National 17.1
    Liberal 32.3
    Labor 69
    Aus Dem 81.7
    Greens 87.8

    Political Outlook -74.2 = far left
    Economic Policy -73.6 = far left
    Social Policy -55 = left
    Trad values -83.7 = far left.

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    One Nation 71.6
    Family First 70.0
    National 71.8
    Liberal 58.9
    Labor 42.5
    Aus Dem 18.2
    Greens 34.9

    Political Outlook 29 = centre right
    Economic Policy 19.9 = centre right
    Social Policy 12.1 = centrist
    Trad values 67.9 = right wing.

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    Missed the URL for the original Political Compass test in my above quote, it is

    www.politicalcompass.org

    Re the Aus Politics test, there are always troubles with answering some of these sorts of questions. I think the sliding agree/disagree scale is a good one in this respect. For instance sometimes I agreed with the idea that a given service should be restricted to low-income earners but disagreed with the present Government's methods of assessing who constitutes a low-income earner. (In times past when I have been such I have found it so difficult to demonstrate that I have not bothered.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob
    Aus Dem 18.2
    Greens 34.9
    That is interesting, that someone could get a generally right-leaning set of scores but come up with Greens well ahead of Democrats.

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    One Nation 69.6%
    The Greens 66.8%
    Australian Democrats 62.9%
    Labor Party 62%
    Family First 59.7%
    Liberal Party 39.8%
    National Party 36%

    political outlook - centre-left
    economic policy - left-wing
    social policy - centre
    traditional values- centre-left

    ?!?!?! How come I average at "centre left" but align with One Nation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    One Nation 69.6%
    The Greens 66.8%
    Australian Democrats 62.9%
    Labor Party 62%
    Family First 59.7%
    Liberal Party 39.8%
    National Party 36%

    political outlook - centre-left
    economic policy - left-wing
    social policy - centre
    traditional values- centre-left

    ?!?!?! How come I average at "centre left" but align with One Nation
    Very strange results. I suspect it's because many One Nation economic policies are actually very leftist. So you have that and your "anti-PC" views on many social issues and I guess that's the easiest box for that combination of views it can find for you.

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    One Nation 56.8%
    Family First 38.6%
    National Party 46.2%
    Liberal Party 54.5%
    Labor Party 68.5%
    Australian Democrats 71.8%
    The Greens 62.6%

    Family First last by a long way

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    One Nation 61.3%
    Family First 60.4%
    National 66.4%
    Liberal 78.5%
    ALP 40.4%
    Aus Dems 31.2%
    Aus Greens 21.3%

    overall alignment 43.5% (right)
    economic policy 46.6% (right)
    social policy 40.8% (centre-right)
    traditional values 51.3% (right)

    No surprises there! (except I'm just a teensy-bit of a softy when it comes to social policies)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis_Jessop
    The trick with these things is to answer the questions quickly without thinking too hard otherwise you find the questions are unanswerable. DJ
    Yes, I couldn’t figure out whether to be go for the more neutral response or to strongly agree/disagree… I ended up changing tack halfway through!

    For what it’s worth:
    Political outlook –73.8 far left-wing position
    Economic policy –69.9% left-wing
    Social policy –79.3% far left-wing
    Traditional values –60% left wing

    The exact percentages came up blank when I did the test but it went something like this:

    Greens over 80%
    Democrats just under 75%
    ALP just over 75%
    Lib just over 25%
    National under 20%
    FFP 52%
    ONP about 40%

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    One Nation 70.5%
    Family First 49.2%
    National Party 65.3%
    Liberal Party 84.2%
    Labor Party 66.9%
    Australian Democrats 57.8%
    The Greens 50.7%

    This was a surprise to me. Somewhere over the years I've moved from left to right. Maybe it's just a reaction to political correctness.

    71% to One Nation was a surprise -- I didn't even like Pauline till the Libs/Nationals locked her up for stealing their voters! (Family first finishing last wasn't a surprise but getting almost 50% agreement certainly was.)

    political orientation 8.3% centre
    social policy 25.1% centre-right
    economic policy 33.8% centre-right
    traditional values -5.2% centre

    Does this mean my friends won't like me any more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozy
    One Nation 70.5%
    Family First 49.2%
    National Party 65.3%
    Liberal Party 84.2%
    Labor Party 66.9%
    Australian Democrats 57.8%
    The Greens 50.7%

    This was a surprise to me. Somewhere over the years I've moved from left to right. Maybe it's just a reaction to political correctness.

    71% to One Nation was a surprise -- I didn't even like Pauline till the Libs/Nationals locked her up for stealing their voters! (Family first finishing last wasn't a surprise but getting almost 50% agreement certainly was.)

    political orientation 8.3% centre
    social policy 25.1% centre-right
    economic policy 33.8% centre-right
    traditional values -5.2% centre

    Does this mean my friends won't like me any more?
    hehe, I'm sure they'll still talk to you. I was a bit surprised by some of my results too.

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    My scores were

    One Nation 53.2%
    Family First 36.1%
    National Party 51.9%
    Liberal Party 72.5%
    Labor Party 75.5%
    Australian Democrats 59.2%
    The Greens 57.4%

    political outlook: -21.9 (centre-left)
    economic policy: -2.6 (centre)
    social policy: -10.5 (centre)
    traditional values: -56.1 (left)

    I was surprised that I put so many stronglys because I didn't think I strongly
    believed anything much, but then I suppose you can strongly agree with a statement without it being something that you get excited about. Maybe if they asked you to "passionately agree" my answers would be different.

    But I wasn't surprised that everything comes out fairly average, except Traditional Values where my score is misleading. Probably they should put this term in quotes to indicate that they are using it in the headline or Spanish Inquisition sense.

    Like Denis says, you should move quickly or you won't be able to answer the questions at all.

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