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  • Rugby League

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  • Rugby Union

    11 20.37%
  • Soccer

    18 33.33%
  • Aussie Rules

    15 27.78%
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    Football codes - what is the future?

    The cricket season is drawing to a close, and the football season will soon be coming. The preseason Wizard Cup will start in AFL, and the Rugby League Sevens start here tommorrow.

    There are 4 big football codes in Australia - Australian Rules, Rugby Union, Rugby League and Soccer.

    Of these 4 codes, the most popular in terms of viewing audience and spectators in Australia are in order; Australian Rules, Rugby League, Rugby Union and Soccer. Of these 4 codes the most popular WORLD WIDE are; Soccer (the most popular and participative sport by far in the planet), Union, League and AFL.

    However in terms of male participation rates in Australia soccer has the most adherents, followed by AFL, and then League (just) over Union. Worldwide it is Soccer (by a huge margin), Union, League and AFL.

    More importantly soccer is by far the most popular football sport that females participate in - and none of the other 3 football codes remotely approach the particpaton rates that soccer has over females in Australia and the World.

    What does this mean for the future of the football codes in Australia and the World?

    Of these 4 football sports, only Australian Rules was invented in Australia (1858), and it is played only in Australia. Australia is the entire focus of the game, and this is it's greatest as well as as it's weakest point. It does not have a market outside Australia, and there is no way an AFL superstar will earn more than a soccer star. However Aussie Rules is a true blue dinky di, aussie sport - and is the number 1 football code by far in terms of popularity and participation in Victoria, WA, SA, Tasmania, Northern Territory. Thanks to the success of the Brisbane Lions, Sydney Swans and Kangaroos, Aussie rules is now poised to challenge Union and League in Queensland, NSW and ACT respectively.

    Soccer has never translated it's status as the most popular sport and most played sport on the planet to success in Australia. In Australia the ethnic clubs have prevented soccer from capitalising on it's status as the sport with the highest particpation rates amongst males (cricket is second), and the second highest participation rates amongs females (after netball). The new Frank Lowy reform of soccer, will ensure that SOccer, "the sleeping giant" of australia will awaken, and will be a BIG threat to the other 3 clubs. Soccer superstars in Australia get more money and endorsements world wide than any other sports, and if Australia makes the world cup, Soccer will challenge to be the premier sports in Australia - like it is in almost all countries in the world (with the notable exceptions being USA, Canada and New Zealand)

    Union is the second most played football code in the world, and is flush with cash after the Union World Cup. This was the 3rd most watched sports event after the Soccer World Cup, and the Olympics, and flush with funds it is seeking to expand from it's bases outside NSW, Queensland and the ACT. The Super 12 system will be expanded to Super 14/15, and the addition of clubs in Melbourne/ Perth/ Adelaide will form a beachhead against the AFL support there. The international exposure, and Australia's position as a Union Superpower will attract more youngsters and league players to play Union over League

    League essentially is played in 5 countries - here, New Zeland, Britain, France and PNG. In New Zealand it is dwarfed by Union, and in England and France by SOccer. Even in Australia,League has a popularity and particpation rate in NSW, Queensland and the ACT - all areas where it is under threat from Union and AFl and soon soccer. The expansion to Perth and Adelaide were failures, and despite expensive attempts to prop up the Melbourne Storm, the latter have not taken root in Victoria

    What will happen to the football codes over the years? Most countries have one dominant football code (soccer), or two at the most - not 4 like we have here

    1. Aussie Rules will carve a niche market, and will be played all over Australia, with it's popularity undimmed through it's status as "Australia's" game. This is similar to how "American Football" and "Canadian football" are the popular football codes in these 2 countries. However it will lose out to soccer and Union, which have a world wide market, and where geniuine international games and exposure can be obtained

    2. Soccer will increase in popularity and media coverage, and the new soccer league in 2005 will be the start of a new era for soccer. Coupled with internatnational exposure, possible World cup qualification, and a non ethnic based professional league, Soccer will leverage it's mass particpation rates into viewer popularity

    3. Union will grow in popularity, via the World Cup and the expansion of Super League. The enormous money, and the international exposure will make it attract more people in NSW, Queensland and ACT to Union than League. The best Union players will be paid more and get more endorsements than league players. Over time Union will expand significantly in terms of popularity and participation rates - and this will be mostly at the expense of Rugby League

    4. League will decrease in popularity and particpation rates - not only in Australia but aroudn the world. It just does not have the international competitiveness and exposure that Union and Soccer has, and cannot maintain it's competitiveness in realtion to these two sports in attracting sponsorship and players and youngsters. It is currently just in the eastern states of Australia, North England, and Auckland areas of New Zealand, and is dying off in other parts due to Soccer and the growth in Union due to the immense dollars that Union can fund and underwrite through it's Rugby World Cup

    Given that League broke away from Union in 1895, and League's rules can be modified back to Union easier than the other codes, there may eventually be a time when League gets absorded back into Union. The grand experiment of League will have failed - not just in Australia, but the world. The war that started in 1895 and 1908 in Australia will have failed. As a League supporter I can see the writing on the wall for my favourite football code

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    I would rather watch gridiron than any of these.

    (though whether gridiron is truly 'football" when they kick the thing so rarely could be questioned.)

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    Re: Football codes - what is the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover

    Soccer has never translated it's status as the most popular sport and most played sport on the planet to success in Australia. In Australia the ethnic clubs have prevented soccer from capitalising on it's status as the sport with the highest particpation rates amongst males
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    This is just a theory of yours that ethnic Clubs account for Soccer not drawing the crowds regularly drawn by Australian Rules.
    There are many other theories. Try this one >> only in Australia does Soccer have to compete with the crowd-pulling Australian Rules; once an Australian has seen and experienced the continual excitement of Australian Rules he/she has been spoilt for everything else. In other words it is just a straight product comparison; nothing ethnic about the cause at all.

    starter

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    also wouldnt have anything to do with a previous ineffective and poor management group, would it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I would rather watch gridiron than any of these.

    (though whether gridiron is truly 'football" when they kick the thing so rarely could be questioned.)
    gridiron is football, and was invented in USA, just like Australian Rules was the australian form of football that was nvented in Australia. Canada also has a footballcode invented in canada, called canadian football...

    I too like US football, and the specialisation in it. There is a seperate attack team, a seperate defend team, special teams that kick, special teams that return the ball, numerous coaches etc.

    Compare that to League, AFL, Soccer or Union...

    However the two main reasons that I prefer League to US Football, is that unless you can get Foxtel, you cannot watch these matches live, and to get coverage of these matches in Australia without that is very difficult. Since my partner will not let me "waste" my money on Foxtel, and free to air TV do not show NFL games, I cannto follow it rpound by round to the same extent I can League, AFL, Union or Soccer. Whilst there are US football leagues in Australia, they are very small in terms of partipation and popularlity and qulaity of play

    The other thing I do not like US football, is the local factor. Having New England, carolina, Green Bay, San Francisco play just does not have the same emotional attachment as having Parramatta, SOuth Sydney, Canterbury play

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    Re: Football codes - what is the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by starter
    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover

    Soccer has never translated it's status as the most popular sport and most played sport on the planet to success in Australia. In Australia the ethnic clubs have prevented soccer from capitalising on it's status as the sport with the highest particpation rates amongst males
    CL
    This is just a theory of yours that ethnic Clubs account for Soccer not drawing the crowds regularly drawn by Australian Rules.
    There are many other theories. Try this one >> only in Australia does Soccer have to compete with the crowd-pulling Australian Rules; once an Australian has seen and experienced the continual excitement of Australian Rules he/she has been spoilt for everything else. In other words it is just a straight product comparison; nothing ethnic about the cause at all.

    starter
    1. Not true. It is generally agreed that it is the narrow ethnic base of the clubs that have prevented it becomning more acceptable to the mainstream australian community. Frank Lowy, the Crawford Commission into soccer that the Howard Government initiated, and most mainstream newspapers agree that soccer is well served by non ethnic inclusive all embracing clubs - rather than the ethinic clubs of toiday

    When the NSL was set up in 1977, soccer was primarily played by ethnic communities, and it was no surprise that it was ethnic clubs that were the foundation members of the first national soccer league. Teams like Melbourne and Sydney United (for Croatians), South Melbourne and Sydney Olymoic (for greeks) as well as ethnic clubs for Macedonians, Italians (marconi stallions), Serbs, Jews were the norm. These excluded the mainstream australian community as time went on, a fact which was compounded with the VFL going national as teh AFL, and the NSWRL going national as the NRL and the Union going to national super 12 format.

    Even today the majority of the existing NSL clubs are ethnic based, and
    will not survive the start of the new revamped national soccer league next year as a result of the elimination of the NSL after this seasom and teh birth of a new 10 team professional non ethnic soccer club next year. Teams like Melbourne Knights (Croatians), South Melbourne (Greeks), Sydney United (Croatians), Marconi Stallions (Italians), Sydney Olympic (Greeks) are finished, and it is teams like Perth Glory, Adelaide United, Parramatte Power, Brisbane Strikers that will be in the new league. When that happens and the number 1 particpation rates of soccer is transalated into spectators and viewers, then AFL, Union and League will be in trouble...

    2. You are a blind victorian

    I have watched AFL games, Union games. Soccer games and League games, and prefer league by far. Afterwards I prefer Soccer. There is nothing special about Aussies Rules

    Socccer is the most popular sport in the world and is played by more people than any other sports in the world. Even in Australia, more people play soccer than Aussie rules.

    If Aussie rules was so good as you claim, it would be the most played sports in Australia, let alone in the world...In fact in NSW League is still king....for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    also wouldnt have anything to do with a previous ineffective and poor management group, would it?
    True. The poor management has also contributed to the declinne of soccer relative to the other football codes in Australia

    However this will all change now. Frank Lowy has taken over the Australian soccer scene now, and there is credible rumours that John O'Neil, who was repsonsible for the rise and rise of Rugby Union in Ayustralia and the World, will be the new CEO of the Australian Soccer.

    There will also be a new revamped soccer national league, with the current NSL shut down after this season finishes, and a new Australian Premier League arising. It is intended that this league will have some of our overseas stars in Europe playing here

    The new league will have 10 teams - 3 from Sydney, 2 from Melbourne, 1 from Adelaide, 1 from Brisbane, 1 from Perth, and the other 2 from New Zealand/ Regional cities. They will all not be ethnic based, and have to have mass appeal like Perth Glory, Adelaide United, parramatta power and the Northern Spirits. COmpare this to the pitiful league that we have now - 13 teams of which 5 are ethnic based, and 7 based in NSW!

    Soccer is certainly on a upswing, and given the great popularity of it world wide, and the huge numbers palying it in Australia, it will only be a matter of time before the changes made result in Soccer repeating it's successes overseas here.

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    Re: Football codes - what is the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover
    Quote Originally Posted by starter
    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover

    Soccer has never translated it's status as the most popular sport and most played sport on the planet to success in Australia. In Australia the ethnic clubs have prevented soccer from capitalising on it's status as the sport with the highest particpation rates amongst males
    CL
    This is just a theory of yours that ethnic Clubs account for Soccer not drawing the crowds regularly drawn by Australian Rules.
    There are many other theories. Try this one >> only in Australia does Soccer have to compete with the crowd-pulling Australian Rules; once an Australian has seen and experienced the continual excitement of Australian Rules he/she has been spoilt for everything else. In other words it is just a straight product comparison; nothing ethnic about the cause at all.

    starter
    1. Not true. It is generally agreed that it is the narrow ethnic base of the clubs that have prevented it becomning more acceptable to the mainstream australian community.
    CL
    Generally accepted I agree. Generally accepted by Soccer Australia.
    But then, are they not proven second-runners to every one so far.


    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover

    ........When that happens and the number 1 particpation rates of soccer is transalated into spectators and viewers, then AFL, Union and League will be in trouble...
    And my aunty will be my uncle.
    And hell will have frozen over.

    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover



    2. You are a blind victorian
    No CL.
    I am a crowded Victorian. Crowded in a game at Docklands stadium on a wet Saturday afternoon when just 1 game out of 6 for the week-end attracts 53,000 people. Every week.
    Crowded at the MCG on a wet Anzac day when a single game attracts 92,000 mid-season.

    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover


    There is nothing special about Aussies Rules
    Nothing special CL?
    Except the crowds it attracts.

    Try this one on for size.
    The largest every crowd in Ireland for any game whatsoever was an Ireland v Australia International Rules played in driving rain. 91,000 people watched the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover




    Soccer is the most popular sport in the world and is played by more people
    Agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover


    than any other sports in the world.
    Agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover


    Even in Australia, more people play soccer than Aussie rules.
    Agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover




    If Aussie rules was so good as you claim, it would be the most played sports in Australia,
    I didn’t claim it was the best participative sport CL. I said was the most spectated sport in Australia. Pay attention CL.

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    Hey CL man. Try not to upset me Mexican mates over their footy OK? I don't much like Aussie Rules - mainly cos I just don't like the way the ball bounces - but I tell ya what, I go crazy whenever I watch the Swans. It's really quite an exciting sport.

    Now you blokes check this out: http://www.usfooty.com/usfooty/

    BLOODY BRILLIANT eh?

    Btw, one thing I like about gridiron is the codes they use for their formations. If you like strategic planning and all that, you'll like gridiron.

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    Re: Football codes - what is the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by starter
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    Generally accepted I agree. Generally accepted by Soccer Australia.
    But then, are they not proven second-runners to every one so far.


    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover

    ........When that happens and the number 1 particpation rates of soccer is transalated into spectators and viewers, then AFL, Union and League will be in trouble...
    And my aunty will be my uncle.
    And hell will have frozen over.

    No CL.
    I am a crowded Victorian. Crowded in a game at Docklands stadium on a wet Saturday afternoon when just 1 game out of 6 for the week-end attracts 53,000 people. Every week.
    Crowded at the MCG on a wet Anzac day when a single game attracts 92,000 mid-season.

    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover


    There is nothing special about Aussies Rules
    Nothing special CL?
    Except the crowds it attracts.

    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover




    Soccer is the most popular sport in the world and is played by more people
    Agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover


    than any other sports in the world.
    Agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover


    Even in Australia, more people play soccer than Aussie rules.
    Agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by chesslover




    If Aussie rules was so good as you claim, it would be the most played sports in Australia,
    I didnít claim it was the best participative sport CL. I said was the most spectated sport in Australia. Pay attention CL.
    1. Soccer Australia under Lowy will be reforming soccer, and setting up a new soccer league. This will change the way soccer is marketed, will enable professionals to play here, eliminate the ethnic team and enable mass supported clubs to play from next year - with ethnic clubs like Melbourne Knights. Sydney United, Sydney Olympic, marconi and South Melbourne all being eliminated. This will enable more mainstream support from australians for soccer clubs, and enable soccer to take advantage of the particpation rates soccer enjoys among males AND females in Australia, and convert that to speactator and media numbers.

    Indeed one of the sad indictments on the previous soccer admins have been that soccer is the most popular sport played by australians, yet so few watch the game at the national league level.

    This will all change, and in a couple of years starter, your aunty will become your uncle

    2. Yes the AFL numbers are very very impressive. Only 2 Rugby League clubs averaged more than 20,000 attendence last year (Brisbane Bronocs and Newcastle) and 5 of the 15 national rugby league clubs averaged less than 10,000....

    By contrast the AFL numbers and SUper 12 numbers have been very big

    3. But you also have to wonder to what extent has Aussie Rules penatrated the non Aussie Rules heartland - NSW and Queensland

    Whilst the Brisbane Lions and the Swans are going great, the viewer numbers and spectators soar, but when they are going bad, there is no dedication and loyalty like followers of Victorian/ SA/ WA clubs - and media viewers and spectator numbers suffer

    4. I think that League will lose out in NSW, Queensland and ACT, not to Aussie Rules but eventually to Rugby Union. Already there is talk that League's greatest player, Andrew Johns, will defect to Union, and many youngsters are being tempted to Union by the Rugby World Cup, Super 12 and the huge money that Rugby Union now has

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    Quote Originally Posted by arosar
    Hey CL man. Try not to upset me Mexican mates over their footy OK? I don't much like Aussie Rules - mainly cos I just don't like the way the ball bounces - but I tell ya what, I go crazy whenever I watch the Swans. It's really quite an exciting sport.

    Now you blokes check this out: http://www.usfooty.com/usfooty/

    BLOODY BRILLIANT eh?

    Btw, one thing I like about gridiron is the codes they use for their formations. If you like strategic planning and all that, you'll like gridiron.

    AR
    there are 8 AFL international federations outside Australia - USA, Britian, Ireland, New Zealand, canada, Denmark, Nauru and Japan. Mind you these are all very weak, and the Sydney Swans second XI can beat them

    I like gridiron, but due to the fact that I cannot watch and follwo them as easily as I can do League or AFL, I like League and AFL better than gridiron. Also the fact that the world's best Gridirons teams are in USA (with daylight second and third), whilst the only Aussie Rules competition in the world that matters is here as well as the fact that the best league comp in the world is the NRL, makes me like League (and Aussie Rules) more than Gridiron

    If i was in USA, there would be no doubt that gridiron would be my favourite sport.

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    I wanted to vote for "ROLLERBALL".

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    what happend to the poll results?

    seems to have been totally stuffed after the move to the new version of the BB?
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    Give me what the poll options were, I can reset it for you if you want.

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    thanks Jeo

    question was "what is your favourite football code"

    options were

    Rugby League
    Rugby Union
    Soccer - the "world sport"
    Aussie Rules - the "Australian" sport
    other

    The latter was added, to satisfy difficult people like the Grand Poobah, who think that american football is their favourite code :p

    ps - I notice not only this, but other polls in the BB all seem to have missing options in other threads as well
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