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    Being an Arbiter, tough job?

    Is being a chess arbiter a tough job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunta
    Is being a chess arbiter a tough job?
    No.

    Brickies labourer or public high school teacher or ambulanceman or SAS is tough. DOP is easy peasy - as long as you understand the rules and are a fair and decent person. Any DOP who says DOPing is a "tough job" is probably a crap DOP.

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    You need to know the rules very well. Most Chess players don't know the rules to the full extent. Then you have to deal with troublesome players who may try to get away with things.

    Also Matt, Doping a tournament of 16 friendly people is much easier than doping 75 people who will try to get away with things. So i think DOPing would be at least a little bit harder than you make it out to be. IMHO
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    I think bunta needs to define or expand and what he means by tough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the chess nut
    So i think DOPing would be at least a little bit harder than you make it out to be. IMHO
    Fair enough. DOPing is not a low skill job. In that respect it is not easy, like making hamburgers or stacking shelves. But DOPing is not hard if you are diplomatic yet firm, and confident yet humble. DOPing is a people skills job. The application of the rules of chess is an incidental task to the main job, management of the tournament such that players are happy to return.

    I hope that when the NSWCA runs its DOP course, it spends plenty of time on development of interpersonal skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    Fair enough. DOPing is not a low skill job. In that respect it is not easy, like making hamburgers or stacking shelves. But DOPing is not hard if you are diplomatic yet firm, and confident yet humble. DOPing is a people skills job. The application of the rules of chess is an incidental task to the main job, management of the tournament such that players are happy to return.
    Given your experience as a DOP of adult tournaments doesnt extend past a tournament with 38 players, I dont think you can speak with any authority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    I hope that when the NSWCA runs its DOP course, it spends plenty of time on development of interpersonal skills.
    The aim of the course is to teach potential arbiters how to improve their arbitering skills not interpersonal skills. If people want to improve their interpersonal skills thay can take courses specifically tailored towards that end.

    After all there is no point in an arbiter having good interpersonal skills yet having poor skills when it comes to applying the laws of chess.
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    Hey Matty! Is Matty here?

    Listen mate . . . you obviously have some interesting views. Have you thought about creating your own blog? You can create one for free. It's all your own - no mods, no admins and no Gletsos. Of course, you can't just defame anyone. We can even post comments on your site.

    Go for it man!

    Oh, oh...if you decide to create your own blog, you have to give it a name. We'll have antichrist make a poll on what name best to call your blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos

    The aim of the course is to teach potential arbiters how to improve their arbitering skills not interpersonal skills. If people want to improve their interpersonal skills thay can take courses specifically tailored towards that end.
    If the NSWCA does not deal with interpersonal skills as part of being a good arbiter, then they are going to end up with a lot of poor arbiters. The course that helped me most when I became an arbiter was the one I did to earn my Rugby League referees ticket. And the most important part of that course was how to get the respect of players. And that was through communication skills.

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    Arbitering

    Matt post misses the point. It not a career like teaching or being a fireman, but is DOPing hard? For the most part: not really. Most big tournaments you're part of a team, so decisions are made as part of the group.

    A good knowledge of the rules is essential. Stuart Rueben's- The Tournament Organisers Handbook is a good place to start. I've read it 11 times, and still gain info from it.

    On interpersonal skills, you must be able to talk to people and be able to get your point across, quickly and perferable quietly (something I can't do!!) Also team work helps... It's gets easier with experience.

    You should give it ago... You'll apprciate your tournaments more and maybe have some fun too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaun
    If the NSWCA does not deal with interpersonal skills as part of being a good arbiter, then they are going to end up with a lot of poor arbiters. The course that helped me most when I became an arbiter was the one I did to earn my Rugby League referees ticket. And the most important part of that course was how to get the respect of players. And that was through communication skills.
    Thats all well and good Shaun, but the NSWCA is interested in improving the skills of potential arbiters. Given most of the people who have put their name forward are as far as I can tell inexperienced at arbitering, improving their understanding of the rules/swiss pairing rules etc. is considered of significant importance.

    The course is currently planned to be run by either Gary Bekker and/or Charles Z and its structure will be left up to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos
    Thats all well and good Shaun, but the NSWCA is interested in improving the skills of potential arbiters. Given most of the people who have put their name forward are as far as I can tell inexperienced at arbitering, improving their understanding of the rules/swiss pairing rules etc. is considered of significant importance.

    The course is currently planned to be run by either Gary Bekker and/or Charles Z and its structure will be left up to them.
    When is this course due to be run and related information?

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    I have been reading Chesschat on and off for some years now and have come to the uavoidable conclusion that Gletsos is a complete and unredeemable idiot! Sorry Bill, but you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTaggart
    I have been reading Chesschat on and off for some years now and have come to the uavoidable conclusion that Gletsos is a complete and unredeemable idiot! Sorry Bill, but you are
    I really shouldnt feed the troll, but what the heck today is a slow day.

    So you finally decide to register a few days ago and come out of the woodwork and this effort is your first post.
    I'm sure with a little effort you can do much better.
    Perhaps you could even try adding something to the actual thread topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    Also that he did not misrepresent the NSWCA constitution by saying that it barred ordinary members from attending council meetings. Whereas the true position is that it gives Council the power on such matters.
    Now, now A/C, dont be like the other fools here and misrepresent things.
    I never said they were barred. What I said was that non council members (other than life members) have no right afforded them by the constitution to attend Council meetings.
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    I would like to see posts 12,13,14,15,16 removed as being off topic and are only flame value.

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