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    World Chess Beauty Contest

    I don't know what to make of this. I can't say anything. I'm just too distracted.

    http://www.1wcbc.com/main.htm

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    It comes as little surprise that you would be the one to be posting about the beauty contest Amiel!

    These guys are like Sam Sloan groupies. What I find remarkable is the line-up - I don't refer to the talent, which is plentiful - but that so many highly ranked female players have entered themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jase
    It comes as little surprise that you would be the one to be posting about the beauty contest Amiel!

    These guys are like Sam Sloan groupies. What I find remarkable is the line-up - I don't refer to the talent, which is plentiful - but that so many highly ranked female players have entered themselves.
    and that if you click on the wcbc link, there is arianne caoili, shannon oliver and anastasia sorokina
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    After reading comments on that site I'm now regretting posting that link.

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    There really should be a male equivalent.

    I've got a self-portrait I'd love to see go head-to-head with jase's black nails shot, just for laughs.
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    Just quietly, when I was directed to this site a few days ago, I did a little research about it's potentially sexist slant [including reading a piece by US Women's Champ Jennifer Shahade, who made some very critical comments].

    I noted that the rules specify the entrants to be female. I was mildly indignant at this and immediately texted back to Arianne that I would be dressing up and entering forthwith!

    I really do think to have any chance of them allowing my entry I'm going to have to dress up in drag
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    I've never liked the idea behind beauty contests, and I don't see why this one would be any different in that regard to all the others.
    Quote Originally Posted by jase
    What I find remarkable is the line-up - I don't refer to the talent, which is plentiful - but that so many highly ranked female players have entered themselves.
    What makes you think those people are entering themselves? Isn't it more likely others are doing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jase
    Just quietly, when I was directed to this site a few days ago, I did a little research about it's potentially sexist slant [including reading a piece by US Women's Champ Jennifer Shahade, who made some very critical comments].
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    Jennifer Shahade is so against women being judged on their looks and yet she:

    1) Frequently participates in exhibition matches where she gets glammed up, including wearing a variety of wigs and outfits which accentuate her looks.
    2) Makes front covers of chess-related and non chess-related magazines, probably not just for her chess talent

    Her career benefits in many ways from her looks so it seems a little incongruous that she is so strongly opposed to this site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Recherché
    What makes you think those people are entering themselves? Isn't it more likely others are doing it?
    I wondered about the same. But I believe the contestants entered themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteElephant
    Jennifer Shahade is so against women being judged on their looks and yet she:

    1) Frequently participates in exhibition matches where she gets glammed up, including wearing a variety of wigs and outfits which accentuate her looks.
    2) Makes front covers of chess-related and non chess-related magazines, probably not just for her chess talent

    Her career benefits in many ways from her looks so it seems a little incongruous that she is so strongly opposed to this site.
    Eh?

    It is one thing to dress up and look good, even for the cover of a magazine.

    It is quite another thing to compare and rank women (or men) on their looks.

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    With so many doomsayers and conservatives, it's no wonder chess isn't attracting the big sponsorship dollars other sports are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pballard
    Eh?

    It is one thing to dress up and look good, even for the cover of a magazine.

    It is quite another thing to compare and rank women (or men) on their looks.

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    We rank people by brain ability (inherited) - university entry (industry determined importance)
    We rank people by bravery (inherited) - war medals (lore determined standard)
    We rank poeple by personality (inherited) - politics (morally determined preference)
    We rank people by physique (inherited) - porn star (culturally determined fashion)
    We rank people by metabolism (inherited) - Olympic games (arbitrarily determined sports)

    Then people like YOU come along and say "OOoooo. No no no. Can't rank people on how well their face conforms to the cultural and or instinctual parameters of beauty.

    Given the choice, I would choose to be good looking, and for my main squeeze to be even better. If you think being ugly and/or bedding ugly is OK, I can tell you from experience on both sides, that it aint so.

    Get over yourself and learn to appreciate the beauty of females regardless of their personality. It is OK to be a randy little bastard. It is normal.

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    I'm not coming from an informed position but thought the issue might be more the case of Jennifer Shahade expoiting her own looks for the betterment of Jennifer Shahade is one thing, exploit our own abilities and talents for gain is something we do every day. However, if the organisers of this event are exploiting the looks and interest in chess players for their own gain then that is a different sort of exploitation all together. But like I said, this is coming from a position of self-confessed ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    ... the case of Jennifer Shahade expoiting her own looks for the betterment of Jennifer Shahade [or] the organisers of this event are exploiting the looks and interest in chess players for their own gain ...
    Define "exploit" and show how the definition can fit both circumstances. I doubt that you can. Therefore, the comparison is not valid and cannot elucidate a difference.

    Furthermore, even if one person exploits the beauty of another, it is not illegal. If it were, capital free market economics would be in deep do-do. Are you sure, Rinso, you want to bring down the ideologies that support Western economies for the sake of banning a beauty contest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuffMcKagan
    Define "exploit" and show how the definition can fit both circumstances. I doubt that you can. Therefore, the comparison is not valid and cannot elucidate a difference.
    Standard English defintion of "to utilise for one's own ends" suffices.

    Self-exploitation is ethically justifiable, whereas trading on the talents and attributes of others without due consideration is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuffMcKagan
    Furthermore, even if one person exploits the beauty of another, it is not illegal. If it were, capital free market economics would be in deep do-do. Are you sure, Rinso, you want to bring down the ideologies that support Western economies for the sake of banning a beauty contest?
    Not at all. While I submit that captialism often exploits the socio-economically disadvantaged. In this case we need not take the argument to such a level. I merely meant that if the beauty contestants are not receiving due consideration then exploitation, even by the weaker definition of western capitalism, is taking place.

    What I don't know is "IF due consideration is being received". This is a case this is a big IF and solely due to my ignorance and lack of interest. I was just offering an alternative point of view which may or may not be valid depending on this point.
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