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    GM norm events in Oz?

    Now that it seems GM Schmalz will be living in Australia for a couple of years, I wonder whether anyone has looked into the possibility of running a GM norm event?

    It ought to be possible to put together a 10 player field of 2440 average or thereabouts, with GM norms for 6.5/9 and IM norms for 5/9. Money as always is the limiting factor, as the GMs would need to be paid.

    Anyone know when the last GM norm event was held in Australia (has there ever been one)? (and I don't mean the monster swisses where norm fields are only ever a theoretical possibility)

    I guess it is also debatable whether it is worth running a GM norm event when nobody is near the 2500 rating level.

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    Well whatever you do don't let GM Schmalz de-register his overseas associations as previously stated we need them from 3 different federations.

    Then import a few more over with a GM title and away we go.

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    Last GM Event

    The last GM norm event to be run in Australia was the Saintly Cup (which I think was in 2001) though that maybe off. It was run in Sydney by IA Jason Lyons. It was a great event, but the amount needed to run the event was massive, so sadly they are few and far between...
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    Well whatever you do don't let GM Schmalz de-register his overseas associations as previously stated we need them from 3 different federations.

    Then import a few more over with a GM title and away we go.
    You don't need GMs from 3 different feds. You need 3 GMs (e.g Rogers, Schmalz, Johansen) and players from 3 federations (e.g Schmalz, Bjelobrk and a bunch of Aussies).

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    Having a foreign GM living in Australia for the next couple of years will have many benefits, assuming he wishes to play chess while he's here.

    Regarding GM norm tournaments:

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    You need 3 GMs (e.g Rogers, Schmalz, Johansen) and players from 3 federations (e.g Schmalz, Bjelobrk and a bunch of Aussies).
    This is insufficient. A tournament requires at least 4 foreign players to satisfy the requirements for a title tournament.

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    Anyone know when the last GM norm event was held in Australia (has there ever been one)?
    Ian and Cathy Rogers ran three excellent title tournaments in Sydney in the late 1980s/early 1990s. The last GM tournament in Australia was in 1999, which was my QVB Chess Festival mentioned by Liberaci. There were 5 foreign players [2 GMs, 3 IMs] plus 5 locals: Rogers, Johansen, Wohl, Solomon, West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    I guess it is also debatable whether it is worth running a GM norm event when nobody is near the 2500 rating level.
    Yep yep. It's a problem. But I do think we do have players with the ability to perform at 2600 against a field of IMs and GMs. Immediately coming to mind are Smerdon, Zhao, and Wallace. Now the first two are probably concentrating on university studies, while the 3rd is on a siesta from competitive chess. I don't think it's beyond Wohl or Lane either, but with such limited opportunities it's going to be tough to acquire a 3rd homegrown GM in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jase
    This is insufficient. A tournament requires at least 4 foreign players to satisfy the requirements for a title tournament.
    Are you sure about that? All I could find in the FIDE handbook regarding federations was:

    1.43 Federations of opponents.
    At least two federations other than that of the title applicant must be included, except for 1.43a-1.43e.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    Are you sure about that? All I could find in the FIDE handbook regarding federations was:

    1.43 Federations of opponents.
    At least two federations other than that of the title applicant must be included, except for 1.43a-1.43e.
    FIDE Title Regulations 8.5 require at least 1/3 of players shall not come from the same Federation of the candidate, and at least 4 opponents must be from federations other than his own. (exceptions are 8.8 and 8.9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    Now that it seems GM Schmalz will be living in Australia for a couple of years, I wonder whether anyone has looked into the possibility of running a GM norm event?

    It ought to be possible to put together a 10 player field of 2440 average or thereabouts, with GM norms for 6.5/9 and IM norms for 5/9. Money as always is the limiting factor, as the GMs would need to be paid.

    Anyone know when the last GM norm event was held in Australia (has there ever been one)? (and I don't mean the monster swisses where norm fields are only ever a theoretical possibility)

    I guess it is also debatable whether it is worth running a GM norm event when nobody is near the 2500 rating level.
    To go right back to the beginning, has anyone noticed the announcement in the 30 March ACF Newsletter that GMs Ftacnik, Chandler and probably Schmalz will be playing in the Aus Champ 2005/2006 in Brisbane and that the attaining of GM norms in that event is an aim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis_Jessop
    To go right back to the beginning, has anyone noticed the announcement in the 30 March ACF Newsletter that GMs Ftacnik, Chandler and probably Schmalz will be playing in the Aus Champ 2005/2006 in Brisbane and that the attaining of GM norms in that event is an aim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis_Jessop
    To go right back to the beginning, has anyone noticed the announcement in the 30 March ACF Newsletter that GMs Ftacnik, Chandler and probably Schmalz will be playing in the Aus Champ 2005/2006 in Brisbane and that the attaining of GM norms in that event is an aim?

    DJ
    I hadn't actually, that's great news

    Lets hope a couple of players manage to face a GM norm field at least!

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    Whatever anyone does DO NOT TAKE your GM friends to the Melbourne Chess Club. Look at what happened to GM Dejan Antic when he visited no-body talked to him, and when he asked one of the local patzers for a game the patzer refused to play the GM saying that he didn't play "beginners". Wanna know who this person was? I told Steph Taylor about it, he can tell you. If he doesn't I will.
    I think the MCC has been keeping quite a lot from the chess world here. I wonder why.....hmmm.

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    Jose Escribano

    Jose's copped a bit crap over this. He played like great at Mt Buller with an 8 game 2100 block, plus with Doeberl he got his 2057 rating. Well done Jose!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberaci
    Jose's copped a bit crap over this. He played like great at Mt Buller with an 8 game 2100 block, plus with Doeberl he got his 2057 rating. Well done Jose!
    Yess, well done. I just hope this doesn't discourage Jose from playing in FIDE rated events in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberaci
    Jose's copped a bit crap over this. He played like great at Mt Buller with an 8 game 2100 block, plus with Doeberl he got his 2057 rating. Well done Jose!
    Thankyou for that, Lee.

    I now don't feel so bad about losing to Jose in the St George Summer Open a few months ago.

    BTW, its 1-1 with me and Jose.

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