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    Trolley Problem (sf WW 1/2)

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    WW2 was a terrible waste of life which all sides of the conflicts must bare responsibility.
    The USA and Russia both should not have fought the Germans, they should have stood up for peace and not killing by refusing to fight.
    The Trolley Problem: Is sacrificing one life to save the lives of many others the best possible outcome?


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    Trolley Problem (sf WW 1/2)

    Ian please explain to me how your post has anything to do with WW2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Colliver View Post
    Ian please explain to me how your post has anything to do with WW2
    It is pertinent to your eschewing of killing at war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    It is pertinent to your eschewing of killing at war
    So nothing directly to do with WW2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Colliver View Post
    So nothing directly to do with WW2
    It's the principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Colliver View Post
    So nothing directly to do with WW2
    Minor thread drift has always been permissible. Refer to Mod if you need direction

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.nancarrow View Post
    It's the principle.
    Quite

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    If a fat man can stop the train then I am a fat man so I should jump off the bridge and stop the train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Colliver View Post
    If a fat man can stop the train then I am a fat man so I should jump off the bridge and stop the train.
    That is not an option. You must face the moral dilemma - do you sacrifice one life to save five, or not? There is no right or wrong answer - open choice question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    It is pertinent to your eschewing of killing at war
    Is it worth killing one German soldier to save the lives of a thousand people in a concentration camp, for example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Is it worth killing one German soldier to save the lives of a thousand people in a concentration camp, for example?
    The Trolley Dilemma, writ large. The dilemma has occupied philosophers for decades. One the one hand, obviously saving 1000 seems the greater good. But does the observer have the right to take a life, any life?

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    Trolley Problem (sf WW 1/2)

    The trolley problem and other scenarios mentioned in this thread try to justify killing by weighing it against a number of lives saved.

    However I do not think that anything justifies killing no matter how many lives are wieghed against it. You could put the whole population of the earth against killing and the killing would still be wrong. The end, saving lives, just does not justify the means, killing.
    Last edited by Scott Colliver; 26-08-2021 at 04:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Colliver View Post
    The trolley problem and other scenarios mentioned in this thread try to justify killing by weighing it against a number of lives saved.

    However I do not think that anything justifies killing no matter how many lives are wieghed against it. You could put the whole population of the earth against killing and the killing would still be wrong. The end, saving lives, just does not justify the means, killing.
    Nonsense. You (the observer in the Trolley Problem) don't have to kill anyone; you can do nothing and let fate take its course. The five workers will die, but you didn't kill them.

    It's a thought experiment which has occupied philosophers for over 50 years, e.g.

    The trolley problem problem
    Could There Be A Solution To The Trolley Problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Nonsense. You (the observer in the Trolley Problem) don't have to kill anyone; you can do nothing and let fate take its course. The five workers will die, but you didn't kill them.

    It's a thought experiment which has occupied philosophers for over 50 years, e.g.

    The trolley problem problem
    Could There Be A Solution To The Trolley Problem?
    You mentioned the trolley problem to try and get me to change my mind about killing people. That is what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Colliver View Post
    You mentioned the trolley problem to try and get me to change my mind about killing people. That is what I meant.
    You or anyone could kill some one just by driving - so should we all stop driving? Because of environmental problems i don't mind motor vehicles being phased out.
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