View Poll Results: What will be the fate of Donald Trump as President? (Poll reset)

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  • He will finish his term and be re-elected in 2020

    8 47.06%
  • He will finish his term and be the Republican candidate in 2020 but lose

    8 47.06%
  • He will finish his term but fail to win the Republican nomination

    0 0%
  • He will resign before the end of his term

    0 0%
  • He will be removed from office before the end of his term

    1 5.88%
  • Other

    0 0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Impeachment theatre again. Impeachment is a constitutional remedy only for a President, not an ex-President. The Senate will still be majority Republican up to the time Trump's term ends, because the new GA Dems won't be sworn in.
    Majority republican, but some of them already stated they support the impeachment. 3 so far I think.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Majority republican, but some of them already stated they support the impeachment. 3 so far I think.
    Senate Majority Leader McConnell has reportedly expressed support as well, which could make a significant difference. Of course the reason for impeaching Trump, even after he leaves office, is set out in the Constitution: "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: ... "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Impeachment theatre again. Impeachment is a constitutional remedy only for a President, not an ex-President. The Senate will still be majority Republican up to the time Trump's term ends, because the new GA Dems won't be sworn in.
    Before he could not be charged because he was president now you are saying that he cannot be charged because he is not president. He can certainly be charged in the House of Reps. Creating history . The biggest fool that ever hit the big time - and all he had to do was act naturally
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Impeachment theatre again. Impeachment is a constitutional remedy only for a President, not an ex-President. The Senate will still be majority Republican up to the time Trump's term ends, because the new GA Dems won't be sworn in.
    And even if they had been, a two-thirds majority is needed for removal, which seems highly unlikely. Political positioning aside the only concrete benefit would seem to be the potential for banning him from office after being found guilty by the Senate. Maybe that can still happen after his term finishes because once he is impeached as President, an impeachment exists that can be tried, but it wouldn't surprise me that much if it was determined that the process falls over. An alternative route to the same end may exist under the relict 3rd clause of the 14th Amendment anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    The biggest fool that ever hit the big time - and all he had to do was act naturally
    He's done far too much of acting naturally (given his nature) I'd say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    And even if they had been, a two-thirds majority is needed for removal, which seems highly unlikely. Political positioning aside the only concrete benefit would seem to be the potential for banning him from office after being found guilty by the Senate. Maybe that can still happen after his term finishes because once he is impeached as President, an impeachment exists that can be tried, but it wouldn't surprise me that much if it was determined that the process falls over. An alternative route to the same end may exist under the relict 3rd clause of the 14th Amendment anyway.
    Mitch McConnell must surely move a lot of votes if he has turned on Trump.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Can the Republican Party be saved

    The pleas for unity, however well-intentioned, obscure a crucial fact: This is not a bipartisan crisis. The Republican Party welcomed Trump into their ranks and indulged and excused him for four years. They nurtured the movement that led to the attack on the Capitol.

    Even after the Capitol was violently sacked, even after at least five people were killed, a poll showed that 45 percent of Republicans support the invasion. That means millions upon millions of Americans see no problem in disrupting the peaceful transfer of power, a bedrock of constitutional democracy. And mere hours after the crisis at the Capitol, nearly 150 Republican lawmakers formally objected to the results of the 2020 election anyway.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/opini...?ocid=msedgntp
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    So the supposedly great USA as it was during WW2 has been torn to shreds by an highly incompetent con man, with the aid of the social media and it's associated crazies, John McCain on embracing Tea Party Palin as running mate and Reagan who embraced Evangelicals. That is what happens when the non intellectual and anti-intellectual type take power and become involved. Similar to the Great Proletarian Revolution in China. It led with the Let A Thousand Flowers Bloom when the intellectuals were encouraged to become involved in participation. But Mao desiring only dictatorship cut them off at the knees and neck and they descended into the Dark Ages with Chinese characters.
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    Racism in so called perfect America

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    “What we saw last week at the Capitol, obviously, it was a shocking threat to our democracy, everybody is outraged by that,” said Neel Kashkari, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. “But I just have to say, for my own opinion, if those were Black armed militants storming the U.S. Capitol, I think they’d all be dead right now,.”


    He added: “That is the most stark example of racism and disparities in our society.”


    Kashkari’s comments, which came during a virtual event Tuesday focused on structural racism in education, echoed a contrast observed by many following the insurrection at the Capitol: that participants in the largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protests over the summer were met with rubber bullets, while armed, mostly white rioters were able to storm their way into the Capitol relatively easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    The pleas for unity, however well-intentioned, obscure a crucial fact: This is not a bipartisan crisis. The Republican Party welcomed Trump into their ranks and indulged and excused him for four years. They nurtured the movement that led to the attack on the Capitol.

    Even after the Capitol was violently sacked, even after at least five people were killed, a poll showed that 45 percent of Republicans support the invasion.
    That may be the case but the question was badly designed. The question asked:

    "Supporters of President Trump have stormed the US Capitol to protest lawmakers certifying Joe Biden’s election victory. Based on what you have read or heard about this, do you support or oppose these actions?"

    The key word here is "protest". Their intention went way beyond protesting. Their intention was to use violence to stop lawmakers from certifying Biden's win. In some cases this intention probably included killing the Vice-President. The poll is unsound because of this understatement of the motives involved.
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    Trump impeached again 232-197. Every Democrat and 10 Republicans voted yes and 4 Republicans abstained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Trump impeached again 232-197. Every Democrat and 10 Republicans voted yes and 4 Republicans abstained.
    Making it the most bipartisan impeachment ever. Among those voting "yes" was Liz Cheney, the Number 3 House Republican (and daughter of Dick Cheney):
    “The president of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack,” said Cheney in a statement.

    Even Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican leader, who voted "no", was scathing of Trump:
    “The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” the Republican minority leader said. “He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    That may be the case but the question was badly designed. The question asked:

    "Supporters of President Trump have stormed the US Capitol to protest lawmakers certifying Joe Biden’s election victory. Based on what you have read or heard about this, do you support or oppose these actions?"

    The key word here is "protest". Their intention went way beyond protesting. Their intention was to use violence to stop lawmakers from certifying Biden's win. In some cases this intention probably included killing the Vice-President. The poll is unsound because of this understatement of the motives involved.
    I found those approving figures incredulous. Surely they cannot be that dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Making it the most bipartisan impeachment ever. Among those voting "yes" was Liz Cheney, the Number 3 House Republican (and daughter of Dick Cheney):
    “The president of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack,” said Cheney in a statement.

    Even Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican leader, who voted "no", was scathing of Trump:
    “The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” the Republican minority leader said. “He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding.”

    Trump is deliberately doing massive damage in foreign affairs as payback for impeachment. Pence has a lot to answer for in rejecting Amendment 25 (or whatever). He is also responsible for further damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    The key word here is "protest".
    Yeah. Yanks use "protest" where normal British English would "protest against".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Their intention went way beyond protesting. Their intention was to use violence to stop lawmakers from certifying Biden's win. In some cases this intention probably included killing the Vice-President. The poll is unsound because of this understatement of the motives involved.
    A tiny minority of a huge crowd, which broke in before Trump had spoken. Trump explicitly told the crowd to protest peacefully then go home, "you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order." Most did. Three people I know who were at the march, and who don't know each other, have told me with photographic evidence that the crowd was peaceful as far as they could see. Contrast that with CNN Democrat Chris Cuomo last year, "Please, show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful." Last year, Democrats Blocked a Resolution Condemning Mob Violence.

    If claiming that an election was stolen is itself impeachable, then why wasn't Nancy Pelosi impeached in 2017 when she Tweeted that the 2016 election was "hijacked"? No Twitter ban either of course.

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    I don't understand why Capa Fan is not equivilcating that only a tiny minority of police on duty were killed. But more people died last week at the Capitol than were killed in Bengazzi. Capa can visit Trump in prison in a short while.
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