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    Now can someone enlighten me please? we have the following teams playing Division 1

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    whereas in Division 2 we have ...

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    So it's not really the rating average that decides classification, neither the time zone of participating countries.
    Then what's the criteria?
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    thank you!

    To answer Questions like the above, only take experienced people who have a profound knowledge of chess administration in international affairs.
    I received a complete response and I do thank very much for the thorough analysis included as given by the well respected official.
    Not sure if OK to post the response and the official involved here, so I wait for approval.
    Have to go out for a while! cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    Now can someone enlighten me please? we have the following teams playing Division 1

    chess a.PNG

    whereas in Division 2 we have ...

    Chess b.PNG

    So it's not really the rating average that decides classification, neither the time zone of participating countries.
    Then what's the criteria?
    The Top division is as follows:
    Total 40 teams (5 seeded + 20 Continental spots + 15 qualified from Division 2).

    So the 4 you listed are part of the 20 Continental spots.
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    Rapid reatings are bing used - it explains Australia's relatively low seeding as we have Smirnov sitting on 2367 and Lim on 1400 so yes, we are very underrated
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    Thanks Bill! makes sense. This part
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    Approval given so I publish it in full.

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    Elliott Renzies To answer your questions ... Ratings are FIDE Rapid first, and the FIDE Standard if no FIDE Rapid. There are some very strong GM's with terrible Rapid ratings, but this is what is being used!
    As for seeding, each Continent nominates 5 teams for the A division, which means that they're some lowly rated teams at the top. Otherwise it was the standings based on both the Open and Women's teams scores at the last Olympiad.

    Full regulations are at https://www.fide.com/news/608
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos View Post
    + 15 qualified from Division 2).
    Does this mean promotion and relegation for the next one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    Does this mean promotion and relegation for the next one?
    The divisions are being played sequentially from bottom to top.
    Therefore if Australia finishes in the top 15 of Division 2 they will play in the Top Division in this event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos View Post
    The divisions are being played sequentially from bottom to top.
    Therefore if Australia finishes in the top 15 of Division 2 they will play in the Top Division in this event.
    Thanks. A good way to do it considering the uncertainty of the ratings.

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    I suppose a hard question for FIDE could be as follows. Why different criteria are being used at different levels?

    To me more fair would be one of the following options. 1) All teams are ranked according to tiebreak 1. In this case countries like Hungary will be selected in the top division. 2) Continue selecting best teams from different subdivisions. As Australia is the top team in Oceania, Australia should be selected as one of five Asian representatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos View Post
    The divisions are being played sequentially from bottom to top.
    Therefore if Australia finishes in the top 15 of Division 2 they will play in the Top Division in this event.
    I should have been a clearer when I said Australia needs to be in the top 15.
    Division 2 currently has 35 teams and will be joined by 15 teams form Division 3.
    Those 50 teams will be split into 5 pools of 10 of approximately equal strength.
    The top 3 teams from each of those 5 pools will join the current 25 teams in the Top Division.
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    Will this event be FIDE Rapid rated? (I presume not).
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Any Updates on Australia/Other teams in our group results/playing dates?
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    According to the official site https://olymp.fide.com/ Division 2 is on Aug 14-16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    According to the official site https://olymp.fide.com/ Division 2 is on Aug 14-16.
    Thx, Ian
    I think there will be plenty of interesting matches.
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