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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    President Trump avoids addressing the nation, but appeals for calm on Twitter

    Donald Trump threatens George Floyd protesters with 'vicious dogs' and 'ominous weapons'
    I think it is important to identify law breakers and prosecute them. You can show videos of peaceful people in response to my videos of law-breakers and ask me if the peaceful ones should be prosecuted. However, it does not address the simple facts that right now - innocent people watch their houses/stores being burnt down....who destroys the property? Peaceful protesters may be? or may be the property destroys itself?
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    The scumbags burnt St John's historic church in Washington. The national guard will burn their arses before the bastards burn in hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    The scumbags burnt St John's historic church in Washington. The national guard will burn their arses before the bastards burn in hell

    So were those the peaceful protesters?
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    I watch these protests, I am going to call them riots, not protests and I can not help but to think back to a time before I was born when one man made it his mission to change public policy by peacefully protesting and encouraging others to do the same when they were convinced they were the victims of racism.

    I call these riots, not protests, as quite often the rioters are people from out of town and just intent on causing as much damage as possible. I am of the opinion that nothing is gained from these riots.

    And I am struck by the stark contrasts between when a black person is killed by a white police officer, justified or not, and when the following two situations occur:

    1) A white person is shot by a black cop (Justine Diamond)
    2) A police officer is killed by a criminal or rioter

    In both 1 and 2, there are no large scale riots or even massive protests. So I really can only come to the conclusion that those who riot in these situations are not really concerned about the individual circumstances of the original death, but are just looking for an excuse to be able to cause as much damage as possible.

    I really do hope ALL those who have been involved in the riots are charged and dealt with by the criminal justice system. They are just thugs and hooligans to me.

    And for those who are not sure about who I was talking about in my first paragraph - of course it is Martin Luther King Jnr. Every time I see these riots, I am reminded that his call to protest against racial discrimination on city buses was to BOYCOTT City buses, not go and smash up every business that is convenient.

    And, as he immortally said -
    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character.
    It seems to me that there are a lot of people in USA who are determined to claim that Martin Luther King Jnr is their idol, whilst at the same time making skin colour the determining factor for deciding whether to riot or not.

    Black person killed by white cop - we riot all over the place
    White person killed by black cop - Lets protect the black cop and wait and see what the criminal justice system's verdict is.

    White cop killed by black criminal - Lets cheer and celebrate.

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    Thanks Capablanca for seeing this matter(Mr.Floyd dying under da popo's knee to neck) for what it really is. A Blue on Black Crime w a white officer here in America. Sprouty would like to show an example of a Blue on Black crime w a black officer here in America....just goto Utube n search mesapolicebrutality n there you'll find da video of a Local Arizona Black Officer Beating an unarmed ,non combative black man downs major like.......


    Sprout would also like to thank Murrays for posting up da Prez. Tweets on da topics of unleashing da Vicious Dogs n Weapons on da protesters crashing da gates of da white house earlier in this thread. During these same tweets da Prez also referred that Sat night Was Magna Night...WTF !!!! Sprout guessing that he got his night lololol. For Saturday Night da protesters almost broke thru white house secret service boundaries.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    So were those the peaceful protesters?
    According to Jewish Times they have also attacked and vandalized a Synagogue. You' ll find all leftards, anti-Semitic neo nazis and all that scum "protesting" for justice!
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    MLK also said riots are the voice of the unheard.
    i assume most on this thread condemning the riots dont know the reality of being a person of colour in the USA and are speaking from a space of privilege-i know I am.
    Its good to remember that dissent is actually a healthy part of a society. So what if a few cop cars and Starbucks burn. There is no obvious dissent in China or Nth Korea is that healthy?.
    i have never been to the US but am intrigued as to why this doesnt happen more regularly. How do people work for $8 an hour in such a prosperous place next to obscene wealth and not get angry? it is obviously a deeply and deliberately divided country with leadership thats not in a mood to listen. Best thing might be to maintain the rage until November or fundamental change is initiated.

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    Yes, unfortunately it has been confirmed. Series of attacks against synagogues and Jewish owned properties.

    This report is from Times of Israel.

    In Los Angeles, the graffiti was spray-painted on the walls of Congregation Beth Israel in the Fairfax district, the Jewish Journal reported.
    Amid particularly intense protests in the district, several Jewish businesses and restaurants were damaged and looted, Haaretz reported.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/synago...ring-protests/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    60% of Americans are non-Hispanic whites, compared to 13% black. A majority of arrest-related deaths may be white, but proportionally blacks are 2½ times more likely to be killed.
    Black men are orders of magnitude more likely to be killed by other black men than by cops of any race.

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    Why not? Why are whites not outraged at being killed by police?
    They are. But no destruction of property owned by people who had nothing to do with it.

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    Actual, not perceived
    The actual is the violence, the racist is perceived. In reality, black cops are as likely to kill black suspects as white cops are.

    What Garvinator said above is right.

    It's hypocritical for leftist governors to ban peaceful protests because of C19 but allow riots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    MB's 'human garbage' protesting in NYC

    That's not what MB meant. The human garbage are the ones looting and burning. The following are likewise not human garbage:

    Black Civilians Arm Themselves To Protest Racial Violence and Protect Black-Owned Businesses
    They're using their Second Amendment rights to protect local businesses from riots and looting.
    ZURI DAVIS, Reason, 29 May 2020
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    So nice and peaceful at Barklays Centre, Brooklyn Heights and other nice areas! Of course no looting here and no reason for police to intervene...
    Go down a few neighbourhoods Flatbush for example (where Bobby went to school) and you see another story! The clear message is, don't mess with NYPD

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    End the judge-made doctrine of qualified immunity, which too often protects bad cops

    Quote Originally Posted by littlesprout85 View Post
    Thanks Capablanca for seeing this matter (Mr. Floyd dying under da popo's knee to neck) for what it really is. A Blue on Black Crime w a white officer here in America. Sprouty would like to show an example of a Blue on Black crime w a black officer here in America....just goto Utube n search mesapolicebrutality n there you'll find da video of a Local Arizona Black Officer Beating an unarmed, non combative black man downs major like.......
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    This looks relevant to Mr Sprout's point:

    The Supreme Court Has a Chance To End Qualified Immunity and Prevent Cases Like George Floyd's
    The Supreme Court could announce as early as Monday that it's revisiting qualified immunity, a doctrine that shields rotten cops from civil rights lawsuits.
    C.J. CIARAMELLA, Reason, 29 May 2020

    Qualified immunity, created by the Supreme Court in the 1970s, shields police and other government officials from liability in civil rights lawsuits when the illegality of their actions was not "clearly established" at the time of the offense.

    Attorneys representing the families of Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, and Breonna Taylor called for policing reforms—including rolling back qualified immunity—at a press conference today.

    "The standard is far too high…for civil rights accountability for law enforcement officers," attorney Lee Merritt said. He continued:

    "We need legislation that specifically goes after qualified immunity and the additional protections offered to law enforcement officers…We want to make sure that the laws from a federal level, number one, that these cases are no longer handled solely locally, but that the federal government will be asked to come in in each of these cases or these states will be denied federal funds."

    The petitions before the Supreme Court have attracted amicus briefs from a notable range of groups, including the Reason Foundation (the nonprofit that publishes this website), the Cato Institute, and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

    While it may seem like George Floyd's right to not be choked to death by a police officer would be rather obvious, the fuzzy phrase "clearly established" has evolved over time to become a pedantic and unforgiving standard. Plaintiffs are often required to go fishing for cases that match their exact circumstances, lest their lawsuit get tossed. Last year, a 9th Circuit Court of Appeals panel granted qualified immunity to an officer who, without warning, shot a 15-year-old holding an airsoft gun.

    "Under the circumstances, a rational finder of fact could find that [Officer Michael] Gutierrez's use of deadly force shocked the conscience and was unconstitutional under the Fourteenth Amendment," the panel wrote. But "because no analogous case existed at the time of the shooting, the district court erred by denying Gutierrez qualified immunity for this claim."

    As U.S. Circuit Judge Don Willett wrote in a 2018 decision, "to some observers, qualified immunity smacks of unqualified impunity, letting public officials duck consequences for bad behavior—no matter how palpably unreasonable—as long as they were the first to behave badly."

    "Such a one-sided approach to qualified immunity transforms the doctrine into an absolute shield for law enforcement officers, gutting the deterrent effect of the Fourth Amendment," Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote in a 2018 dissent. "It tells officers that they can shoot first and think later, and it tells the public that palpably unreasonable conduct will go unpunished."

    But the Supreme Court is, to understate it, reluctant to second-guess police. As the Cato Institute's Clark Neilly noted this week, the Court "recently let stand an Eighth Circuit decision dismissing, on qualified immunity grounds, a Section 1983 case against a Nebraska officer who picked up a five-​foot-tall, unarmed woman clad only in a bathing suit and drove her head-​first into the ground, knocking her unconscious and breaking her collarbone—not because it was lawful for him to do so, but rather because there happened to be no case on point with precisely those facts."

    Ending qualified immunity wouldn't end police brutality, but it would put departments and individual officers on notice that they can no longer brazenly harm and kill people without consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    So nice and peaceful at Barklays Centre, Brooklyn Heights and other nice areas! Of course no looting here and no reason for police to intervene...
    Go down a few neighbourhoods Flatbush for example (where Bobby went to school) and you see another story! The clear message is, don't mess with NYPD

    Antifa a terrorist organization! As if there was any doubt about it!
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    George Floyd protests show America is a nation at war with itself — and Donald Trump didn't start the fighting

    The United States is a nation at war with itself: its beliefs, its ideals, its promise of liberty and justice.

    The images of American streets in flames reveal the depths of dangerous fault lines of race, identity, history and politics that pit American against American.

    It is a land of tribes that has shattered any pretence of civic unity.

    Black Americans cannot hold onto the promise of Martin Luther King's dream when they see black people killed or abused at the hands of police.

    The death of George Floyd reinforces a feeling that for blacks, America has never been the land of the free.

    Poor white Americans cannot believe in the pursuit of happiness, during an opioid epidemic; inter-generational unemployment and poverty.

    The politics of the left and right square off against each other and the popular media picks its sides and fans the flames. ...

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    So if protesters burn stores, assault store keepers, destroy everything they meet on their way - Shall they be arrested?
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