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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Can you give us a reliable source? (Don't bother quoting Trump)
    I would have second thoughts about joining them just due to the surveillance they would cop. Even in Oz false names were often used by radicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    I would have second thoughts about joining them just due to the surveillance they would cop. Even in Oz false names were often used by radicals.
    Antifa isn't an organisation - it's a description applied to various groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Try these, for more authoritative sources:

    https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/ha...ement-and-race

    Out of date and purpose. Maybe ok for a B grade TV soap opera tear jerker

    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...gs-Report.html

    163 pages of nonsensical efforts to prove that crims in Baltimore (is it really the centre of the world) are getting stopped and frisked in the streets.

    https://www.policefoundation.org/race-and-the-police/

    aimless finger pointing, not one trace of evidence whatsoever, by an Uncle Tom kind of character who served the system he now blames for decades.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5004736/

    Amongst other proofs of inconsistent and inconclusive data provided to support estimates (Not specific conclusions):

    Because we lack sufficient data to track a birth cohort over the life course, we rely on synthetic cohorts to estimate lifetime
    Our analysis relies on a combination of official and unofficial sources of mortality data


    https://www.npr.org/local/309/2019/0...e-interactions

    Try South Park, at least it's funny!

    https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/policing-america


    This one seems to be more balanced.

    crime US 1.PNG and crime US 2.PNG

    Also it's very lengthy and I will need more time to go through it thoroughly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by er View Post
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blunderbuss View Post
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02601-9

    Although more white people are shot in total, people from minority ethnic groups are shot at higher rates by population. One paper published in August found that a black man is 2.5 times more likely than a white man to be killed by the police during his lifetime.
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    The article is worth checking out in detail, it’s shocking that there was no official effort to catalogue Police shootings until 2014…

    In December 2014, spurred by unrest in the wake of Ferguson, then-US president, Barack Obama, created a task force to investigate policing practices. The group issued a report five months later, highlighting a need for “expanded research and data collection” (see go.nature.com/2kqoddk). The data historically collected by the federal government on fatal shootings were sorely lacking. Almost two years later, the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) responded with a pilot project to create an online national database of fatal and non-fatal use of force by law-enforcement officers. The FBI director at the time, James Comey, called the lack of comprehensive national data “unacceptable” and “embarrassing”.

    The numbers are shocking…
    In the United States, police officers fatally shoot about three people per day on average, a number that’s close to the yearly totals for other wealthy nations. But data on these deadly encounters have been hard to come by.
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    Recognizing that ‘lethal force’ does not always involve a gun and doesn’t always result in death, two other media organizations expanded on this approach. In 2015 and 2016, UK newspaper The Guardian combined its original reporting with crowdsourced information to record all fatal encounters with the police in the United States, and found around 1,100 civilian deaths per year. Online news site VICE News obtained data on both fatal and non-fatal shootings from the country’s 50 largest local police departments, finding that for every person shot and killed between 2010 and 2016, officers shot at two more people who survived. Extrapolating from that, the actual number of civilians shot by the police each year is likely to be upwards of 3,000.
    Does risk of being killed by police increase with a higher crime rate within the community? If yes, isn't it a simple case of cause/effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Does risk of being killed by police increase with a higher crime rate within the community? If yes, isn't it a simple case of cause/effect
    It's more complicated than that: Unarmed nonwhite civilians are significantly more likely to be shot and killed than unarmed white civilians.

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    Journalists are also at risk from police: "Prime Minister Scott Morrison has instructed Australia's embassy in the US to investigate after two Australian journalists were assaulted by police during a protest outside the White House."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Does risk of being killed by police increase with a higher crime rate within the community? If yes, isn't it a simple case of cause/effect
    There are no reliable overall data on arrest related deaths. Police departments are not noted for their transparency - it's often only when bystanders capture incidents on video and post to social media that the public gets to hear anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Police departments are not noted for their transparency - it's often only when bystanders capture incidents on video and post to social media that the public gets to hear anything.
    Precisely. A point strangely overlooked by news media.

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    The Need to Discuss Black-on-Black Crime
    By BARRY LATZER (Emeritus professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, CUNY), National Review, 5 Dec 2019

    The reason we focus more on black-on-black violence nowadays is not racism but rather its significance to the crime problem in the United States. Presumably this is why Abt has written an entire book on the subject. Black violent crime was a major factor in the post-1960s crime tsunami and persisted even after the wave began to ebb in the 1990s. From 2000 to 2015, the mean African-American homicide-victimization rate, adjusted for age, was 20.1 per 100,000. That’s more than three times the Hispanic rate of 6.4 (despite disadvantages comparable to those of blacks) and over seven times the average white rate, 2.7. Moreover, as already noted, from 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of the killers of black murder victims were other African Americans. In short, this is about exceptionally high as well as overwhelmingly intraracial black violent crime. White-on-white homicide is equally intraracial, but, as Abt knows, the rates are not astronomically high.

    Though Abt considers it a malign narrative, stressing that a major component of today’s violent-crime problem is black-on-black underscores the tragic irony of African-American victimhood. It is, in addition, an argument for support from African-American leaders and the general black population for more-focused law-enforcement efforts in low-income neighborhoods of color — the very policies that Abt advocates.

    Abt’s second objection is that the expression “black on black” carries an “implicit assumption that urban violence is the result of chronic lawless behavior enabled by community tolerance for criminality.” Abt says this assumption is wrong because African Americans are worried about and strongly disapprove of violence in their communities. That is correct, but there is also a deep strain of mistrust of police in poor black neighborhoods, and this, along with fear of reprisals by black criminals, leads to a refusal to cooperate with the authorities. Such noncooperation only worsens the black-crime problem by providing impunity for the most violent.

    Here are two vivid examples. Though several dozen people were present when rap star Busta Rhymes’s unarmed security guard was shot to death in 2006, not one would talk to detectives. And when rapper Lil’ Kim lied to police about her friends’ involvement in another shooting — earning her a year in jail for perjury — she became a hero in black communities.

    Actually, Abt fully recognizes the problem. The “stop snitching ethos,” he says, “perpetuates itself by preventing criminals who victimize communities from being brought to justice.” But if rates of black violent-crime are excessive (which they are), if these high rates have persisted over a long term (which they have), and if the stop-snitching ethos aggravates the problem (which it does), then the statement that Abt decries is at least partially correct. Urban violence is deplored by the black community, but at the same time it is enabled by a culture of noncooperation.
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    George Floyd's brother "left hand peace right hand justice".

    Which maybe could be translated to the stronger hand for justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The Need to Discuss Black-on-Black Crime
    This is not the moment to attempt to divert attention from blue-on-black crime

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    "When peaceful protesters are dispersed by the order of the President from the doorstep of the people's house, the White House — using tear gas and flash grenades — in order to stage a photo op at a noble church, we can be forgiven for believing that the President is more interested in power than in principle."
    - Joe Biden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    "When peaceful protesters are dispersed by the order of the President from the doorstep of the people's house, the White House — using tear gas and flash grenades — in order to stage a photo op at a noble church, we can be forgiven for believing that the President is more interested in power than in principle."
    - Joe Biden
    Would you approve use of tear gas and flash grenades against those who are NOT peaceful?
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