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    Alrighty then..... Corona Virus Death Rate is clicking at 3.5% per 100,000 on da average worldwide including da US. Sprouty along with Murrays have been tracking da death rates of da corona virus worldwide n that is da #'s we are in total agreement with at this time. Now its truly a different story in Australia n New Zealand where da stats are ultra low due to your Countries getting on top of da beast early on,Great Job Keep it up m8's =D

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    from the Guardian sit

    Drug watchdog takes church to court over Covid-19 bleach cure
    Australia’s drug regulator has started court proceedings against a “healing church” that promoted a solution containing industrial bleach as a cure for coronavirus, after the church failed to remove advertisements promoting the product from its website.


    It comes after the Therapeutic Goods Administration fined the Australian chapter of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing more than $150,000 in May for selling and promoting the solution containing sodium chlorite, a chemical used as a textile bleaching agent and disinfectant.

    The product is named Miracle Mineral Supplement and Miracle Mineral Solution on the church’s MMS Australia website, which claimed it could prevent and treat a range of diseases including Covid-19. The TGA said the company had breached multiple advertising laws.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ths-death-toll
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    Rioters pretending to honour George Floyd are breaking all social distancing rules

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    Looting and burning has nothing to do with the spread of the virus.
    Of course it does, because distancing is ignored in those activities.

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    Are you still claiming that fewer than 1% of infected people die from the coronavirus — even in Kentucky the death rate is about 5%?
    I didn't make the claim, but posted someone who did. The worse the infection rate, the stronger the case to ban these protests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Inside a building the concentration of the virus can steadily build up, even with distancing and masks. Outside, the virus is dissipated much more rapidly. I would have thought that this was fairly basic chemistry. Not to mention that ultraviolet light and heat also destroy the virus. That's why outdoor restrictions are always much more lenient than indoor ones.
    Looting happens indoors. The Polizei were arresting people who were outdoors, e.g. swimming 20 m away from anyone else.

    Protesting Police Violence Is Critical. But Why Are the Social Distance Shamers Suddenly So Quiet?
    What happened to staying at home to keep grandparents safe no matter what?
    ROBBY SOAVE, Reason, 31 May 2020

    In their formal statements, a lot of public officials are (correctly) endorsing the protesters' concerns about police violence, and many have condemned the street violence that occurred during the protests.

    But what we are not seeing is widespread condemnation of the protesters on what might have been the most obvious point of criticism: They are manifestly violating the social distancing orders. Again, if we are to believe the earlier, dire warnings from public health officials about what would happen if lockdowns were relaxed too quickly, people who fail to practice aggressive social distancing will spread the disease and get others killed. By the logic of lockdown supporters, even the protesters who are practicing strict non-violence have a lot of blood on their hands.

    And make no mistake, the protests unfolding all over the country are violating quarantine in any number of ways. Remember that many places are still under stay-at-home orders, and people are only supposed to go outside for essential work or allowable recreation in small numbers. On the plus side, some protesters are thankfully wearing masks, and their activities are unfolding outdoors, which are both factors that work to stop the spread of the virus. But the sheer number of people involved, packed tightly together, often engaging in high-spread activities—like yelling—certainly override much of the benefit. Even Denver protesters, whose comparatively restrained demonstration involved gathering in a public place and lying prone on the ground for eight minutes—the amount of time Floyd's alleged killer had a knee on Floyd's neck—shouted "I can't breathe," the entire time.

    Holding police accountable is a very important cause. But the logic of the lockdowns was that they were so necessary to stem the spread of COVID-19 that they should override other pressing concerns. Small business owners were forced to shutter, and many will close permanently, because policymakers ordained that slowing the pandemic was the top priority. Daring to reopen was an "experiment in human sacrifice," a dangerous practice akin to riding an alligator while yelling yeehaw. California Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has fought to prevent churches from reopening to the public, characteristically said the protesters were "rightfully outraged". He did not scold them to go back inside before they get their grandparents killed.

    Media and government experts who fail to consistently call out social distancing violations risk giving the impression that their commitment to zealous enforcement of public health measures wasn't as absolute as they claimed. It turns out they are willing to make exceptions for their preferred causes. Perhaps those who previously went overboard on the social distance shaming should admit this was a mistake. The current silence of the Karens is deafening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Paradoxically apparently even the road death toll is up.
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    I'm not sure that the rise in the road toll has anything to do with the restrictions, and I don't think the numbers are large enough yet to be reliable.
    Queensland road toll up on last year despite less traffic

    As COVID-19 restrictions eased to allow unlimited travel within Queensland on Monday, police have vowed to crack down on dangerous drivers using their mobile speed camera arsenal.

    It came after 91 lives were lost on the state's roads during the first five months of the year, seven more than the same time last year, despite less traffic on the roads due to COVID-19 restrictions. ...

    Superintendent David Johnson said motorcyclists were highly represented in Queensland's 91 road fatalities, with one in four - equating to 23 - being either motorcycle riders or passengers.

    "Despite less travel occurring on our roads so far this year due to COVID-19, we are seeing more trauma and that is troubling," he said.

    "Day-in and day-out, we are seeing road users make poor decisions on our roads and tragically, these decisions are having devastating consequences.

    "Just because there is less traffic, does not give anyone a green light to reach ridiculously high speeds or get behind the wheel intoxicated or under the influence of drugs.

    "There are 91 people out there who will no longer spend any time with their families or loved ones, celebrate normal birthdays or Christmas together. ...
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Queensland road toll up on last year despite less traffic
    As COVID-19 restrictions eased to allow unlimited travel within Queensland on Monday, police have vowed to crack down on dangerous drivers using their mobile speed camera arsenal. It came after 91 lives were lost on the state's roads during the first five months of the year, seven more than the same time last year, despite less traffic on the roads due to COVID-19 restrictions. ...
    That report is for the first five months of the year, but the coronavirus restrictions didn't start until the end of March. Also, a rise from 84 to 91 is not statistically significant. So we still can't be sure if the lockdown increased or decreased road deaths.

    I have no doubt that there were negative health effects from the lockdown, but I would expect them to show up in suicide rates or domestic violence incidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    I didn't make the claim, but posted someone who did. ...
    I'm still waiting for you to reject his claim.

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    Looting happens indoors. The Polizei were arresting people who were outdoors, e.g. swimming 20 m away from anyone else.
    You seem to have forgotten that in order to loot a store, the looters first have to first break in

    But I have no problem with the police arresting people who are looting and burning. Those activities are illegal, whether there is social distancing or not.

    I'm glad to see that you are so concerned about deaths from the coronavirus. In Georgia, 30 people are still dying (on average) each and every day, with no end in sight. What do you think should be done to prevent this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    That report is for the first five months of the year, but the coronavirus restrictions didn't start until the end of March. Also, a rise from 84 to 91 is not statistically significant.
    Really? How many would it need to increase by to be statistically significant? Given that the road usage has plummeted, I'd be surprised if it's not a very large increase on a death per "road usage hour" basis.

    So we still can't be sure if the lockdown increased or decreased road deaths.

    I have no doubt that there were negative health effects from the lockdown, but I would expect them to show up in suicide rates or domestic violence incidents.
    Yes the negative consequences are many and varied. Some surprising, too.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Really? How many would it need to increase by to be statistically significant? Given that the road usage has plummeted, I'd be surprised if it's not a very large increase on a death per "road usage hour" basis.
    Assuming that you need a change of about two standard deviations to achieve significance, and the standard deviation is approximately the square root of the sample size, then an increase from 84 to 91 (ie, +7 compared to a standard deviation of +/-9) is not significant. I'm sure Kevin could provide a better answer.

    For what it's worth:
    According to the Australian Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics, there was a significant decline in road deaths in Australia in April 2020, with the death toll falling to 75 nationally. This is both a 25 per cent year-on-year decrease from April 2019 and a 25 per cent month-to-month reduction over March.
    I don't think those numbers are very significant either. Perhaps a death per 'road usage hour' or death per 'road usage mile' statistic might be helpful, if they're available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Assuming that you need a change of about two standard deviations to achieve significance, and the standard deviation is approximately the square root of the sample size, then an increase from 84 to 91 (ie, +7 compared to a standard deviation of +/-9) is not significant. I'm sure Kevin could provide a better answer.

    For what it's worth:
    According to the Australian Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics, there was a significant decline in road deaths in Australia in April 2020, with the death toll falling to 75 nationally. This is both a 25 per cent year-on-year decrease from April 2019 and a 25 per cent month-to-month reduction over March.
    I don't think those numbers are very significant either. Perhaps a death per 'road usage hour' or death per 'road usage mile' statistic might be helpful, if they're available.
    Interestingly the data in that link shows a YoY increase in Qld from April 19 to 20. With "eerily quiet streetscapes", and an estimated 40% reduction in traffic.

    I think it would also be interesting to adjust it for the removed/nullified holiday travel. Long weekends and holidays are a notorious contributor to the road toll, and with no one visting for the 4 day Easter long weekend or for Easter school holidays generally, that should be accounted for.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Impressive performance by the Kiwis - no wonder Ardern is so popular:

    New Zealand finally has a date for when it will achieve its lofty goal of elimination of Covid-19: June 15. After weeks of urging by public health experts and government wrangling, the country’s Health Department has settled on a definition of elimination of the deadly virus. New Zealand has followed an elimination policy path since the arrival of the virus, eschewing lighter approaches by countries including Australia.

    The Kiwi approach, including a seven-week lockdown, is paying dividends. On Thursday, health officials announced they had found no new cases of the virus for the 13th straight day, from thousands of tests. Just one person in New Zealand has Covid-19, an Aucklander currently isolating who is due to be asymptomatic this week, should the virus follow a normal course.

    Australia currently has 491 active cases.

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    Will these protests and riots cause spike in C19 cases? Or was C19 danger overstated?

    So, predictions anyone?

    We have recently had protests and riots of thousands of people. Many of these were in areas where church services were restricted, businesses shuttered, and peaceful protests against shuttering were banned. Will there be a huge spike in C19 cases and deaths?

    If yes, then the leftist mayors who encouraged them should be held responsible for these illnesses and deaths.

    If no, then these continued lockdowns were a sham, the virus is not as dangerous as claimed, and we should open businesses and churches (and synagogues and mosques) right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    So, predictions anyone?

    We have recently had protests and riots of thousands of people. Many of these were in areas where church services were restricted, businesses shuttered, and peaceful protests against shuttering were banned. Will there be a huge spike in C19 cases and deaths?

    If yes, then the leftist mayors who encouraged them should be held responsible for these illnesses and deaths....
    Can you name any mayors who encouraged riots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    So, predictions anyone?

    We have recently had protests and riots of thousands of people. Many of these were in areas where church services were restricted, businesses shuttered, and peaceful protests against shuttering were banned. Will there be a huge spike in C19 cases and deaths?

    If yes, then the leftist mayors who encouraged them should be held responsible for these illnesses and deaths.

    If no, then these continued lockdowns were a sham, the virus is not as dangerous as claimed, and we should open businesses and churches (and synagogues and mosques) right now!
    I think it will result in fewer people being tested. Who's going to take their car out of the safety of their garage risk being smashed up, go out walk passed rioting to see a doctor for a scratchy throat?
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

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    Paper that found hydroxychloroquine causes increased death risks retracted:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_tw

    (Still doesn't mean the stuff works.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Paper that found hydroxychloroquine causes increased death risks retracted:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_tw

    (Still doesn't mean the stuff works.)
    I saw one that said it was no more effective than a placebo. Which if true might not be bad, except than unlike placebo it has side effects (I think).
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

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