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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    That is a great Victorian initiative on co-ordinating the attempt to place people in new jobs. Every state should have this because with things changing so fast governments will be best placed to know what their needs are and to look for people who have signed up who can fill them.
    On the other hand, at a time when people are being urged to stay at home unless absolutely necessary, government make-work jobs like repairing walking trails seems counter-productive

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    https://www.facebook.com/groups/busi...3298412830711/

    To quote the post:
    ''I run an events and hospitality business and lost ALL of my work and jobs, which meant losing most of my staff

    We worked hard and now pivoted into online fresh cocktail and alcohol deliveries to allow some work to come in however I’ve found that staff would rather not work to get 2/3 days per week as they claim to be better off on jobseeker with its jacked up allowances.''

    P.S. this is a business owner writing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/busi...3298412830711/

    To quote the post:
    ''I run an events and hospitality business and lost ALL of my work and jobs, which meant losing most of my staff

    We worked hard and now pivoted into online fresh cocktail and alcohol deliveries to allow some work to come in however I’ve found that staff would rather not work to get 2/3 days per week as they claim to be better off on jobseeker with its jacked up allowances.''

    P.S. this is a business owner writing!
    Quick Michael post it on your student Facebook and he will have workers queueing up a mile. As they don't receive the Gov't relief bonus they need the money more1
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    ... I’ve found that staff would rather not work to get 2/3 days per week as they claim to be better off on jobseeker with its jacked up allowances.''

    P.S. this is a business owner writing!
    That's hardly surprising. They're obviously better off on $550/week unemployment benefit than two or three (part)days a week casual rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    That's hardly surprising. They're obviously better off on $550/week unemployment benefit than two or three (part)days a week casual rate.
    So the THINKING is: rather than return to work ASAP - let me enjoy the benefits....if this is not surprising than how do you expect them to hunt for jobs aggressively? People would rather get benefits than work for equivalent of the benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    So the THINKING is: rather than return to work ASAP - let me enjoy the benefits....if this is not surprising than how do you expect them to hunt for jobs aggressively? People would rather get benefits than work for equivalent of the benefits.
    But the paid work is not equivalent to the benefits. It's much less

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    But the paid work is not equivalent to the benefits. It's much less
    Ian, I think we are thinking differently...I am not considering the benefits If i can get paid work...should not people be happy to work rather than to get benefits? This is exactly my point about entitlements ruining the economy with some people choosing not to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Ian, I think we are thinking differently...I am not considering the benefits If i can get paid work...should not people be happy to work rather than to get benefits? This is exactly my point about entitlements ruining the economy with some people choosing not to work.
    You have to consider the benefits. If a laid-off worker is given a choice of casual work of 15 hours/week at $20/hour or an unemployment benefit of $550/week, then obviously he has to take the $550. It's about survival, not entitlements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    You have to consider the benefits. If a laid-off worker is given a choice of casual work of 15 hours/week at $20/hour or an unemployment benefit of $550/week, then obviously he has to take the $550. It's about survival, not entitlements.
    would you expect him to keep searching for work while receiving the $550?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    You have to consider the benefits. If a laid-off worker is given a choice of casual work of 15 hours/week at $20/hour or an unemployment benefit of $550/week, then obviously he has to take the $550. It's about survival, not entitlements.
    If Oz had 23m face masks almost every one could have stayed at work. It is better psychologically to stay at work but grog is non essential so better they stay at home. Grog could assist in breaking isolation guidelines
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    would you expect him to keep searching for work while receiving the $550?
    If searching for work in Byron then 9/10 of places closed. Just wasting shoe leather and petrol there and risking disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    If searching for work in Byron then 9/10 of places closed. Just wasting shoe leather and petrol there and risking disease.
    ''Just wasting shoe leather and petrol'' what a great attitude towards job search.
    Not to mention that jobs can be applied for by internet/phone in most cases!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    would you expect him to keep searching for work while receiving the $550?
    Not required for the time being:

    We’ve suspended mutual obligation requirements for JobSeeker Payment, Youth Allowance as a job seeker and Parenting Payment until 27 April 2020. We’ve also removed the liquid assets waiting period from 25 March 2020 due to coronavirus (COVID-19). We’ll let you know once these start again.
    https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au...seeker-payment

    With the forecast one million workers out of a job, the 20-interviews-a-fortnight rule will obviously be unworkable
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    ''Just wasting shoe leather and petrol'' what a great attitude towards job search.
    Not to mention that jobs can be applied for by internet/phone in most cases!
    And the 1/10 shops that are open close early. It is estimated 3000 here lost their Jobs. The 1/10 shops remaining open would be driven mad with 3000 people bothering them.

    I have jobless people sleeping on balcony for bed and breakfast they are doing jobs in return. My place has never been so spotless. You could eat off the floor if no one is sleeping there. My dobbing neighbors have sold out . Others are understanding
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    What would have been far better than the bloated US "rescue" porkulus of $2.2T

    How I think the President should have used his ‘bully pulpit’:

    Fellow Americans, I have a counter-plan to what Congress is offering, which will put much more money in your pockets, at less than half the cost.

    I propose to send each and every one of you, child or adult, $3,000. That is, no questions asked. It would come to you quickly—we won't spend money on bureaucratic ‘means testing’ that will delay money getting to your families.

    This is two-and-a-half times as much as Congress is giving adults, and six times as much per child. A family of four would be three-and-a-half times better off.

    But how much would this cost? Glad you asked! The population of our great country is about 331 million. Simple math: 311 million × $3,000 = $0.993 trillion dollars.

    Yes, it's a lot, but it's under half the Congress bill of $2.2T. So why is Congress spending twice as much, and giving you, the people, about a third as much? Because they are addicted to pork, special interests, cronies, and social engineering!

    They would rather give $25 million to the Kennedy Center, a playground for their millionaire friends, than help you and your families. And within a few hours of receiving the money, the Kennedy Center will probably fire its entire orchestra anyway!

    Nancy Pelosi wanted diversity quotas on corporate boards and emission standards for airlines that are hardly flying. There is still too much that doesn't help you and your familes—supposedly the whole point of this bill. $150m million to Endowments to the Arts and Humanities that are managing fine without it, $258 million to foreign disaster assistance, $350 million to migrants, and a billion to Amtrak.

    They don't give a damn about you and your families. While you struggle with avoiding this terrible disease, Congress is holding you hostage! Yes, hostage: they won't help you unless we agree to their radical and expensive demands. And think of your children and grandchildren—they will be paying back $25T in debt. Congress sure wants America First—First in the list of most indebted countries in history!

    So call your Representative and Senator. Tell them just what you think of this larded-up bill. Tell them to support the President's plan: far more money in your pockets, and far less national debt. Tell them to send me a Kosher bill—no pork! Don't put up with them holding you hostage! They are supposed to work for you, not the other way round.

    God bless you, and God bless America!
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