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    Quote Originally Posted by b.nancarrow View Post
    Why are you forced to be vaccinated through a Federal Socialist National Medical system? Private Hospitals cannot vaccinate people with Vaccines bought in a free trade market place, even if they wanted to do this.. Victorian state hospitals cannot buy the vaccines privately even if they wanted to do such a thing. Harvey Norman cannot spend his own money on shipping vaccines to Australia for his company. Why? You believe in liberty Michael Baron, then why does this reality exist in Australia?
    Are you asking me? Personally, I have nothing against private hospitals delivering health care services (including vaccinations) on commercial basis and this is what happens in some other countries. I do not understand why it is a question for me though.
    P.S. re vaccinated people catching virus - I never said they can not...but obviously damage from the virus will be lesser - and this is what matters~.
    P.S 2. re liberalism and private enerprize...you must be kidding - we have long been living in a society where some work hard and smart...but end up ''sponsoring'' those who do not....And with covid - it is often these people who have their businesses and well being on the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    P.S 2. re liberalism and private enerprize...you must be kidding - we have long been living in a society where some work hard and smart...but end up ''sponsoring'' those who do not....And with covid - it is often these people who have their businesses and well being on the line.

    No It is you who needs to smell the roses and return to reality. It is simply impossible for anybody who lives in the state of Victoria to buy a vaccine on the open private market. This is because the National Socialistic Liberal party led by PM Scott Morrison controls the whole program. The federal government is nothing better then an organised drug cartel. It is illegal in law for any person or business to obtain private vaccine solutions. This is during a global pandemic! And you are totally dependent.

    See the thing is Michael Baron you will not take responsibility for your own liberty. In fact, you could not even if you wanted too. It is not because of Dan Andrews. It is because the concepts of free trade and open markets do not exist. and to top it off you support the Federal National Liberal Socialist Vaccination drug cartel subsidy program for the rich and powerful and other lesser beings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    So who is right Who or Taiwan? or China? Therea re different views - thats all!
    I think we all know now that the Chinese authorities were completely wrong when they claimed that human to human transmission was rare!

    And its worse than that:
    No such critique has been forthcoming this time. One study found that China could have limited its own infections by up to 95 percent had the government acted in that early period when doctors were first raising the alarm and the Chinese Communist Party was still denying the extent of the problem. “The WHO at that time didn’t do their job,” Xiao said. “The opposite: They actually compounded Chinese authorities’ misinformation for a few weeks. That is, to me, unforgivable.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.nancarrow View Post
    No It is you who needs to smell the roses and return to reality. It is simply impossible for anybody who lives in the state of Victoria to buy a vaccine on the open private market. This is because the National Socialistic Liberal party led by PM Scott Morrison controls the whole program. The federal government is nothing better then an organised drug cartel. It is illegal in law for any person or business to obtain private vaccine solutions. This is during a global pandemic! And you are totally dependent.

    See the thing is Michael Baron you will not take responsibility for your own liberty. In fact, you could not even if you wanted too. It is not because of Dan Andrews. It is because the concepts of free trade and open markets do not exist. and to top it off you support the Federal National Liberal Socialist Vaccination drug cartel subsidy program for the rich and powerful and other lesser beings.
    1) out of Liberals and Labor what are my choices?
    2) How to be ''globally idependent'' - I advocate for a different tax system but for now - I can not chose not to pay taxes as they are
    3) I support ''rich and powerful'' having better life than ''not so rich and powerful'' as long as money is made by honest means (yes, people do make money honestly believe it or not).

    P.S how to take responsibility for my own liberty? take it to the streets to create a revolution?
    So in the current scenario what are our best options? My best option is to a) vaccinate under the current rules (that I have done) b) appreciate the fact that I can do my work online and c) have plans b, c and d in case things get even more crazy .
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    Pew: in the US, 90% of atheists are vaccinated, for evangelical christians it is only 57%.

    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Pew: in the US, 90% of atheists are vaccinated, for evangelical christians it is only 57%.

    Interesting (not entirely surprising though) . I wonder what the numbers are for Religious Jews, Muslims etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Interesting (not entirely surprising though) . I wonder what the numbers are for Religious Jews, Muslims etc.
    Don't know. But I think it likely that the sort of evangelical crazies that won't get vaccinated are the sort who don't answer polls (can't trust tha telerfone, MAGA) so that 57% might be too high really.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Snapshot from what I posted on another thread: Total cost of Australian Involvement in Afghanistan is 10 billion dollars (direct costs only to start with)....if this money is used for covid response...if only...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Pew: in the US, 90% of atheists are vaccinated, for evangelical christians it is only 57%. ...
    Evangelical Protestants have a problem with science, as we know! But the large gap between atheists and evangelicals might also have something to do with belief in the afterlife. And Jews are strongly pro-vaccination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Snapshot from what I posted on another thread: Total cost of Australian Involvement in Afghanistan is 10 billion dollars (direct costs only to start with)....if this money is used for covid response...if only...
    Or, still playing what if, the cost of processing and detaining asylum seekers offshore was $18.6 billion between 2013 and 2020.

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    Tomorrow, our Fuhrer is supposed to (finally!) share his roadmap out o the lockdown, lets see whats in it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Tomorrow, our Fuhrer is supposed to (finally!) share his roadmap out o the lockdown, lets see whats in it...
    Whatever decisions they make we can be confident they are from the finest expert advice.
    Personally, i want to see water canons used on anti-lockdown protestors. The sight of them mid-air propelled backwards with their limbs flailing about would give me no end of joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.nancarrow View Post
    Whatever decisions they make we can be confident they are from the finest expert advice.
    Personally, i want to see water canons used on anti-lockdown protestors. The sight of them mid-air propelled backwards with their limbs flailing about would give me no end of joy.
    Yes, finest expert advice...just like he has been using finest quarantine officers...and doing finest contact tracing since the very beginning..we have seen it all!

    P.S you are a lucky person ...you are priveledged to be getting joyful so easily...I think you and Scott are both ''easily joyful''.
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