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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    And even the current US per capita death rate is about ten times that in Australia.
    Of course, Australia has natural borders. The USA still has about a quarter of the per capita case rate of Italy, Spain, and Switzerland, and a lower still lower per capital death rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Which would result in a lot more poorer people dying than richer people. Collateral damage it is called.
    What are you on about? The context was birthing mothers being denied care. This could also cost lives.

    Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi, the Wicked Witch of the West, delayed releasing relief funds to the poor to add pork for her rich friends. One example was $25M to the Kennedy Performing Arts Center, which promptly laid off the entire orchestra. How America can stand another $2.2T to the debt I don't know. For under half that, they could have given $3,000 to every one of America's 331 million population.
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    Keeping tabs on Sweden which has a relatively lax legal approach to shutdowns so far. Currently Sweden is 21st on cases, 15th on deaths, 31st on cases/capita, 17th on deaths/capita.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    ... The USA still has about a quarter of the per capita case rate of Italy, Spain, and Switzerland, and a lower still lower per capital death rate.
    For the moment but, with such a large population, per capita data look sluggish even when actual numbers are skyrocketing.

    ... A recent analysis from the University of Pennsylvania estimated that even if social-distancing measures can reduce infection rates by 95 percent, 960,000 Americans will still need intensive care. There are only about 180,000 ventilators in the U.S. and, more pertinently, only enough respiratory therapists and critical-care staff to safely look after 100,000 ventilated patients. ...
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...us-end/608719/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Of course, Australia has natural borders. The USA still has about a quarter of the per capita case rate of Italy, Spain, and Switzerland, and a lower still lower per capital death rate.
    So how many cases are coming from outside the US? Canada has had only 60 deaths, which is about one quarter of the per capita rate in the US, and Canada doesn't have any natural borders. But it does have socialised healthcare, unlike the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    What are you on about? The context was birthing mothers being denied care. This could also cost lives.
    They weren't denied care - they were denied support helpers during childbirth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    So how many cases are coming from outside the US? Canada has had only 60 deaths, which is about one quarter of the per capita rate in the US, and Canada doesn't have any natural borders.
    But who wants to go there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    But it does have socialised healthcare, unlike the US.
    The USA does have socialized healthcare: the VA system, easily the worst in the country. And it has the FDA and CDC, government bureaucracies that stopped the market from testing. Now that Trump has slashed red tape, the market developed a very fast tester. Healthcare technology maker Abbott has invented a device that can produce a result with no need for labs.

    By far the most CV cases are in New York: 59,648, way ahead 13,386. NY state of course is dominated by NYC. Of the 865 deaths in the state, 678 were in the city. It has a huge population, but local politicans deserve a lot more censure than the President. In particular, the Marxist NYC mayor Bill de Blasio repeatedly told people to go about their lives, as recently as the 13th of this month. NY state governor has been a mix of good and bad. The good—he has given the green light to a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine, probably starting this week. When Trump said that this drug might work, he was vilified, but not Cuomo because he is a Democrat. That bad: mishandling getting ventilators ready and stockpiling them instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    But who wants to go there?
    People from the US who can't afford expensive US medicines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    By far the most CV cases are in New York: 59,648, way ahead 13,386. NY state of course is dominated by NYC. Of the 865 deaths in the state, 678 were in the city. It has a huge population, but local politicans deserve a lot more censure than the President. In particular, the Marxist NYC mayor Bill de Blasio repeatedly told people to go about their lives, as recently as the 13th of this month.
    What about Trump's crazy announcement that he wanted restrictions eased by Easter:
    “I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter,” Trump said during a Fox News town-hall event at the White House. Easter is on April 12, in 19 days.
    That was about two weeks after de Blasio's comments. So if you blame him, you must assign even more blame to Trump - correct?

    And the other states are rapidly catching up to New York. I suppose that you're going to blame all of their governors and mayors as well - while Trump has no responsibility for any deaths?

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    How long before images of Trump as the Devil consigning people to death.
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    But who wants to go there?
    Full declaration - A post not about the Wuhan Corona virus, but in response to this question about who wants to go to Canada? Canada is definitely a country that I would like to visit, like a lot of others.

    But Capablanca-Fan, I assume your comment was in relation to going to Canada to use their health care system over the USA, am I correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Except that Trump didn't say that.
    I was referring to AC's attitude not Trumps attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Keeping tabs on Sweden which has a relatively lax legal approach to shutdowns so far. Currently Sweden is 21st on cases, 15th on deaths, 31st on cases/capita, 17th on deaths/capita.
    Apparently Sweden is not doing very much testing so is probably under reporting the situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by I don't know View Post
    Apparently Sweden is not doing very much testing so is probably under reporting the situation
    Correct, and this is seen at least in them being higher on the deaths tables than the cases tables at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Maybe he never mentioned funeral parlours
    This appears to be what he said.

    "You’re going to have suicides by the thousands. People get tremendous anxiety and depression, and you have suicides over things like this when you have terrible economies. You have death. Probably and — I mean, definitely — would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about with regard to the virus."
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    Quote Originally Posted by I don't know View Post
    I was referring to AC's attitude not Trumps attitude.
    Trump did say to short circuit the lock down as he wanted the church
    crowded for easter. But he didn't differentiate whether in the pews or in coffins in the isles.
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