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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...g-court-appeal I trust you do not support those... good then
    You mean the protestors who were non-violent and wore masks, as well as taking other precautions:
    Organisers said they have a Covid-19 safety plan for the rally. Attendees are being asked to avoid public transport, wear a mask and ďpractice thorough hand hygieneĒ. Protesters will be expected to stand at least 1.5 metres apart at all times and anyone who feels at all unwell or has any cold or flu-like symptoms is being asked to stay at home.

    They're the exact opposite of the Victorian protestors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    You mean the protestors who were non-violent and wore masks, as well as taking other precautions:
    Organisers said they have a Covid-19 safety plan for the rally. Attendees are being asked to avoid public transport, wear a mask and “practice thorough hand hygiene”. Protesters will be expected to stand at least 1.5 metres apart at all times and anyone who feels at all unwell or has any cold or flu-like symptoms is being asked to stay at home.

    They're the exact opposite of the Victorian protestors!
    Yes, cute kind of protestors .
    I am sure Indigenous rallies have far greater practices of hygiene than the anti-lockdown ones. I have not questioned it for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Yes, cute kind of protestors .
    I am sure Indigenous rallies have far greater practices of hygiene than the anti-lockdown ones. I have not questioned it for once.
    A picture is worth a thousand words

    BLM protestors.jpg
    Black Lives Matter Protest in the Domain in Sydney Australia on JUNE 27 2020
    https://www.news.com.au/news/black-l...80995fc8187947


    Freedom Rally protestors.jpg
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-22/how-antivaxxers-conspiracy-theorists-far-right-melbourne-protest/100481874

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    1) several people on the photo have face masks off .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    1) several people on the photo have face masks off .
    I count three. How many in photo 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Read the article. The issue is much more nuanced:

    Black people are less likely to be vaccinated against COVID-19, even though the pandemic has taken a disproportionate toll on them. Racial breakdowns of vaccination data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show Black Americans are lagging far behind other groups with only around 30 percent fully vaccinated. ...

    Several factors are driving the racial disparity, including mistrust of the medical establishment due to a history of discriminatory treatment, said Amara Enyia, policy and research coordinator for the Movement for Black Lives.

    It dates back to the nation's history of medical experimentation on Black enslaved people. Other examples include the government's Tuskegee syphilis experiment, where treatment was withheld from Black men with syphilis.

    "I think it's important to note the historic context for vaccine hesitancy. There is a history of a healthcare system that has actually been harmful to Black people," she told Newsweek.

    But more recent examples of Black people not receiving adequate medical care have also reinforced the mistrust, Enyia said, citing the case of Susan Moore, a Black doctor who died of COVID-19 complications after complaining of racist treatment while in hospital. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Read the article. The issue is much more nuanced: ...
    And unvaccinated white people are the problem in the US: "Patrick said on Fox News that in "most states," Black people are the largest racial group of unvaccinated people. But thatís not the case in Texas or elsewhere."

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    Almost 850 cases in our prison today....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Read the article. The issue is much more nuanced:

    Black people are less likely to be vaccinated against COVID-19, even though the pandemic has taken a disproportionate toll on them. Racial breakdowns of vaccination data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show Black Americans are lagging far behind other groups with only around 30 percent fully vaccinated. ...

    Several factors are driving the racial disparity, including mistrust of the medical establishment due to a history of discriminatory treatment, said Amara Enyia, policy and research coordinator for the Movement for Black Lives.

    It dates back to the nation's history of medical experimentation on Black enslaved people. Other examples include the government's Tuskegee syphilis experiment, where treatment was withheld from Black men with syphilis.

    "I think it's important to note the historic context for vaccine hesitancy. There is a history of a healthcare system that has actually been harmful to Black people," she told Newsweek.

    But more recent examples of Black people not receiving adequate medical care have also reinforced the mistrust, Enyia said, citing the case of Susan Moore, a Black doctor who died of COVID-19 complications after complaining of racist treatment while in hospital. ...
    Along with ''historic context'' - there should be common sense that drives people towards vaccination. Not sure about the US situation (how easy it is to access vaccinations there) but in Australia with all the extra resources dedicated towards vaccinating the Indigenous you can certainly say that the government is addressing the problem. I have already said it on multiple occasions: people should stop blaming historc context and take responsibility for their lives. Those who do - do not feel ''enslaved''.

    Re ''mistrust'' - there is something called common sense. Jews are not scared to go to Germany today. Chinese go to Japan and so on...How are they ''different''? or Yes. and Vietnamese going to US and Americans to Vietnam (even more recent) Where is the ''historic context''?
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    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-...box=1632350738

    Hillarious....kids picking ''best friends'' to play with legally. How insane can the world get...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Along with ''historic context'' - there should be common sense that drives people towards vaccination. Not sure about the US situation (how easy it is to access vaccinations there) but in Australia with all the extra resources dedicated towards vaccinating the Indigenous you can certainly say that the government is addressing the problem. I have already said it on multiple occasions: people should stop blaming historc context and take responsibility for their lives. Those who do - do not feel ''enslaved''. Re ''mistrust'' - there is something called common sense. Jews are not scared to go to Germany today. Chinese go to Japan and so on...How are they ''different''? or Yes. and Vietnamese going to US and Americans to Vietnam (even more recent) Where is the ''historic context''?
    It's pretty funny that someone arguing against mistrust of the government repeatedly refers to the democratically elected head of the Victorian government as a "Fuhrer"

    But the current US government is a direct successor to the government that conducted the Tuskegee experiment, while the governments in Germany and Japan are completely separate from the wartime ones, so your comparison makes no sense. And China certainly hasn't forgotten what Japan did in the war.

    Also, I'm not sure why you're obsessed with the vaccination rates of Black people. In both the US and Australia, they won't make a significant difference to the overall rate. In Australia, there is a specific problem with the delay in providing Pfizer (as has been explained to you repeatedly!):
    Since Aboriginal Health Services and GPs were able to access Pfizer the number of weekly doses given to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people has more than tripled, according to Dr Jason Agostino, a GP, epidemiologist, and medical advisor to the National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation (NACCHO). "In the numbers, what's not shown, is that above 60 coverage rates are the same for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders and non-Indigenous," he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    And unvaccinated white people are the problem in the US: "Patrick said on Fox News that in "most states," Black people are the largest racial group of unvaccinated people. But thatís not the case in Texas or elsewhere."
    33.15% of black Texans are fully vaccinated, the lowest of the state's ethnic groups (Asian 61.27% Hispanic 41.17% White 42.95% Mixed race 43.08%)
    https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...es/state/texas

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    ... Jews are not scared to go to Germany today. ...
    Under Angela Merkel and the Christian Democrats, Jews received significant benefits from migrating to Germany.

    It remains to be seen what happens in the post-Merkel era, notably the fortunes of the far right and anti-Semitic AfD

    And a view from Israel:

    Jews in Germany Don't Need Special Treatment Any More

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    33.15% of black Texans are fully vaccinated, the lowest of the state's ethnic groups (Asian 61.27% Hispanic 41.17% White 42.95% Mixed race 43.08%)
    https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...es/state/texas
    Not sure about USA ....but who is ''at fault''? The Group that does not vaccinate or the society at large?
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