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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Seth Meyers on Trump's rally: 'If you were trying to get people sick, this is how'

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    For the first time since his Tulsa, Oklahoma, rally was blamed for a coronavirus outbreak in June, Donald Trump held his first indoor rally last weekend – a scene of a thousand acts of potential coronavirus spread, from chanting to singing to mask-less faces packed together. “If you were actively trying to get people sick, this is how you would do it,” said Seth Meyers of the Nevada rally, held in violation of the state’s Covid restrictions. ...

    Stephen Colbert

    ... Yet despite the evidence of climate change’s impact, Trump has continued to pretend the science doesn’t exist; Colbert played an extraordinary clip of the president telling the California state natural resources agency secretary, Wade Crowfoot, who pleaded for evidence-based cooperation, that “it will start getting cooler, you just watch”.

    “I wish science agreed with you,” Crawfoot replied, to which Trump said: “I don’t think science knows, actually.”

    “No, it knows,” Colbert retorted. “Just because you don’t know doesn’t mean the science doesn’t know the science. It’s like the nutrition facts on a box of Oreo cookies: just because I refuse to read it doesn’t mean the serving size is one sleeve.” ...
    Colbert is my wife's favourite as well. She loves him imitating Trunp. That imitating pushed my thoughts that Trump has had minor strokes.
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    Trump handled C19 better than a Democrat administration would have done

    Biden and the Democrats Would Have Bungled the Coronavirus Response
    With help from the media, they are shamelessly obscuring their own disastrously misguided instincts.
    By KYLE SMITH, National Review, 13 Sep 2020

    Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden waves goodbye as he concludes his remarks during a campaign event in Warren, Mich., September 9, 2020. (Leah Millis/Reuters)
    With help from the media, they are shamelessly obscuring their own disastrously misguided instincts.

    As David Harsanyi points out, on the day Trump tweeted that the virus is “very much under control,” Nancy Pelosi was urging her constituents to visit Chinatown in San Francisco. That was February 24. On March 5, Bill de Blasio was urging New Yorkers to “get out on the town despite coronavirus.” As late as March 19, Andrew Cuomo was still playing Kevin Bacon in Animal House — “Remain calm, all is well!” he cried, as he got flattened. Cuomo told us “the fear and panic is, if anything, worse than the virus,” though it turned out that the virus was actually quite a bit worse, and a little more fear and panic earlier in the year would have been useful in limiting its spread.

    Trump’s inclination to play down the virus was widely shared, and I see no reason to think a President Obama or Biden would not also have struck an optimistic tone, albeit without the hyperbole that characterizes everything Trump says. I think Obama would have very calmly and suavely reassured us that he had things under control and that everything would be okay. That’s what leaders do, isn’t it? As a general rule, “Don’t panic” is a wise message, just not in this special case.

    By mid-March, it was too late. The map of the worst COVID-19 outbreaks in the U.S. overlays neatly onto a map of the New York City area’s mass-transit routes. Should this be laid at Trump’s feet? Was Trump supposed to shut down the trains? Did he even have the authority to do that? Can Cuomo and de Blasio really look Trump in the eye and say, “I respect you so much that I obviously would have complied if you had only suggested we shut down the trains”?

    As late as March 13, by which time the best possible containment strategy would have been to place a giant impermeable bubble over the entire New York metro area, The Atlantic was still fretting that the reaction to the virus might give evil right-wingers and populists an excuse to shore up border defenses. The essay in question specifically criticized travel bans (Trump had just announced the partial shutdown from Europe the day before) because they exacerbate prejudice: “Efforts to contain the disease are likely to prove even more futile in places where it is already spreading. In the case of the U.S. travel ban, there is nothing to suggest that restricting European visitors will prevent new cases from emerging: After all, the disease is already there.”

    So, if x cases of the virus have already been imported into the U.S., it’s futile to stop y more cases from coming in and adding to the problem. And if a building is on fire, I suppose it would be silly to try to stop the flames from spreading, because after all, the fire is “already there.” This is how your mind works when obsession with prejudice is the overriding program, and it was absolutely the conventional wisdom of the left that prejudice was behind Trump’s actions. Moreover, slamming President Trump as hostile to outsiders was always the first card Democrats were inclined to play against him. Which is why, when Trump announced the partial shutdown on China travel, Biden gave the most obvious, conventional Democratic response: He condemned it. As Trump announced the China travel restrictions, Biden, reading haltingly from a prepared statement in Iowa in late January, said, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia to, uh, and fear-mongering.” Biden tweeted the same thought shortly after.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
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    Meanwhile here in Victoria

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    Source: ABC News a few hours ago!

    Full story here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-...falls/12672162

    I don't care about how politicians of either side (mainly here in Victoria, but not excluding US and other countries) try to explore this covid-19 situation - unless I can make a buck out of their policy making, different story

    They're not scientists they are just bullshit artists who'd sell their mums' kitchen utensils for a friggin' vote.

    I stick to the facts, hoping the best for all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    1 person not allowed....entire large group allowed...where is the logic? That is exactly my position!
    I'm against the closures too, but every cloud has a silver lining. Scotty from Marketing won't be in QLD for forced handshakes ahead of the election, unless he wants to quarantine for 14 days.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    I'm against the closures too, but every cloud has a silver lining. Scotty from Marketing won't be in QLD for forced handshakes ahead of the election, unless he wants to quarantine for 14 days.
    Hopefully Anastasia will be gone after the election and no more handshakes will be required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Outside queensland from a place with no virus for 61 days vs many people attending! My position is consistent. Same treatment for all - Indigenous or not! Non Indigenous - one from place without virus not allowed! Indigenous - many allowed!
    It's obviously not consistent to argue that everyone should get the same treatment but also argue that an exemption should be made

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Hopefully Anastasia will be gone after the election and no more handshakes will be required.
    She's looking pretty good to be returned at present. But the policies of the LNP in Qld (and in Victoria for that matter) would be the same - SA and NSW have both closed their borders, although Morrison doesn't seem to care about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Biden and the Democrats Would Have Bungled the Coronavirus Response With help from the media, they are shamelessly obscuring their own disastrously misguided instincts. By KYLE SMITH, National Review, 13 Sep 2020

    So, if x cases of the virus have already been imported into the U.S., it’s futile to stop y more cases from coming in and adding to the problem. And if a building is on fire, I suppose it would be silly to try to stop the flames from spreading, because after all, the fire is “already there.” …
    Which is the damning criticism of Trump, of course. He knows the building is on fire, but, unlike Biden and the Democrats, he is doing very little to put out the flames. His recent rallies, where there are few masks and little social distancing, would be actively spreading the virus. He's an arsonist, not a firefighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    She's looking pretty good to be returned at present. But the policies of the LNP in Qld (and in Victoria for that matter) would be the same - SA and NSW have both closed their borders, although Morrison doesn't seem to care about that.
    SA and NSW appear to be doing great job in containing virus..NSW got from Victoria...and fighting on (quite successfully) ever since. SA - fully under control. Labor-driven Victoria....you can surely see what is going on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    SA and NSW appear to be doing great job in containing virus..NSW got from Victoria...and fighting on (quite successfully) ever since. SA - fully under control. Labor-driven Victoria....you can surely see what is going on!
    Qld and WA both have Labor governments, and they are also doing a great job of containing the virus. And they have both closed their borders, as SA and NSW have. So I'm not sure of your point.

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    Current cases leaderboard from Wikipedia:

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    Since two weeks ago Australia has dropped from 70th to 74th by confirmed case total. On confirmed deaths Australia has risen from 59th to 53rd. Australia has

    The USA has passed Italy (once one of the worst hit countries) to be 9th on deaths per capita (>2000 cases) but the list is increasingly dominated by South American countries with a bunch of them likely to overtake Spain.

    10 countries that have had cases are clear, none of which have had more than 100 cases. It is taking a long time for any significant number of countries to be clear.

    Faroe Islands (430 cases) is now the unit with the most cases so far but 0 deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Current cases leaderboard from Wikipedia:

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    covid 19 Sep.png

    Since two weeks ago Australia has dropped from 70th to 74th by confirmed case total. On confirmed deaths Australia has risen from 59th to 53rd. Australia has

    The USA has passed Italy (once one of the worst hit countries) to be 9th on deaths per capita (>2000 cases) but the list is increasingly dominated by South American countries with a bunch of them likely to overtake Spain.

    10 countries that have had cases are clear, none of which have had more than 100 cases. It is taking a long time for any significant number of countries to be clear.

    Faroe Islands (430 cases) is now the unit with the most cases so far but 0 deaths.
    Many has been pointing out that in Russia - few cases outside the capital city get ''registered.''. I suspect it is similar in Brazil etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Many has been pointing out that in Russia - few cases outside the capital city get ''registered.''. I suspect it is similar in Brazil etc.
    Do you think they would have handled the virus better under the socialist model?
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    There is no denying the success of Victoria's countermeasures against its second wave. From over 700 cases daily five weeks ago, and doubling every four days, yesterday's count was down to 11.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/coro...21-p55xio.html

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