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    Chess Boycotts and Banning Players Etc.

    If a country has been consistently breaking international law for generations with shocking results for people involuntarily under their control cannot it be discussed that maybe they be barred from international chess under their national flag? Before Russia was severely penalised for it's invasion of Afghanistan. The same could have occurred for it's invasion of Crimea
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    The UN had called on Israel to end the blockade of Gaza that has been a war crime for years. Israel is an criminal nation and should not be allowed to enter or host international chess competitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    The UN had called on Israel to end the blockade of Gaza that has been a war crime for years. Israel is an criminal nation and should not be allowed to enter or host international chess competitions.
    Israel being a criminal nation ...you sound like Iran! Even many of the Iranian players do not think so!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Israel being a criminal nation ...you sound like Iran! Even many of the Iranian players do not think so!
    The Iranian players are not the United nations. I can understand them they are probably not over religious and just want a peaceful normal life. Israel can also appear normal if you only peer skin deep. I can understand Iranians despising their governments actions so see Israel as a haven. But lack of justice is too serious to ignore and it has been happening for generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    The UN had called on Israel to end the blockade of Gaza that has been a war crime for years. Israel is an criminal nation and should not be allowed to enter or host international chess competitions.
    Would this have any effect on the Israeli government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    The UN had called on Israel to end the blockade of Gaza that has been a war crime for years. Israel is an criminal nation and should not be allowed to enter or host international chess competitions.
    How many other "criminal nations" are there? Should their players all be banned too?

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    If the US is banning chess players from certain countries, will FIDE allow it to host chess events?

    Speaking with reporters in Davos, Trump announced that he intends to expand his controversial travel ban on certain overseas countries. “We’re adding a couple of countries to it. We have to be safe,” he said. “You see what’s going on in the world. Our country has to be safe.” According to the Associated Press, anonymous officials familiar with the matter said seven countries were added to a draft of the proposed restrictions: Belarus, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Myanmar, Nigeria, Sudan, and Tanzania. “It’s going to be announced very shortly. OK?” the president said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    If the US is banning chess players from certain countries, will FIDE allow it to host chess events?

    Speaking with reporters in Davos, Trump announced that he intends to expand his controversial travel ban on certain overseas countries. “We’re adding a couple of countries to it. We have to be safe,” he said. “You see what’s going on in the world. Our country has to be safe.” According to the Associated Press, anonymous officials familiar with the matter said seven countries were added to a draft of the proposed restrictions: Belarus, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Myanmar, Nigeria, Sudan, and Tanzania. “It’s going to be announced very shortly. OK?” the president said.
    Good List...but why not Include Russia? Far more dangerous than Belarus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Would this have any effect on the Israeli government?
    Well the BDS movement is getting very strong re-action from the Israeli government. It copies the anti-apartheid movement against South Africa which was successful if sufficient nations join it. In Sydney they were cutting the goal posts down the Springboks rugby tour was on. In the modern world no nation can survive very long if quarantined, take Iran now as an example. Because Israel is becoming worse what else can the world do. Our silence is assisting Israeli crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    How many other "criminal nations" are there? Should their players all be banned too?
    I had considered that earlier to be consistent. I thought that the benchmark be if nations are making genuine efforts to improve human rights etc..
    The Philippines is going off the rails human rights wise they could be warned. But if it was a purity games probably only tiny nations could attend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Good List...but why not Include Russia? Far more dangerous than Belarus!
    Russia is still under some economic sanctions due to Crimea. There is I believe two sides to that story but they should not be allowed to get away with it. That is why I was suggesting that some players play as "internationalist" rather than representing a country or being from that country. At least it would isolate erring countries from holding tournaments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    If the US is banning chess players from certain countries, will FIDE allow it to host chess events?

    Speaking with reporters in Davos, Trump announced that he intends to expand his controversial travel ban on certain overseas countries. “We’re adding a couple of countries to it. We have to be safe,” he said. “You see what’s going on in the world. Our country has to be safe.” According to the Associated Press, anonymous officials familiar with the matter said seven countries were added to a draft of the proposed restrictions: Belarus, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Myanmar, Nigeria, Sudan, and Tanzania. “It’s going to be announced very shortly. OK?” the president said.
    The USA should not be able to ban "Internationalists", if it occurs then take the privilege off the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    I had considered that earlier to be consistent. I thought that the benchmark be if nations are making genuine efforts to improve human rights etc..
    That would be a silly benchmark as it would admit nations that were trying to improve from atrocious to merely very bad, while excluding nations that were excellent and not trying to improve because they quite reasonably had other priorities at the moment. And who decides what "human rights" to include or not include anyway?

    But if it was a purity games probably only tiny nations could attend.
    Exactly, so why single out Israel? There are plenty of nations with bad human rights records that are not trying to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    That would be a silly benchmark as it would admit nations that were trying to improve from atrocious to merely very bad, while excluding nations that were excellent and not trying to improve because they quite reasonably had other priorities at the moment. And who decides what "human rights" to include or not include anyway?



    Exactly, so why single out Israel? There are plenty of nations with bad human rights records that are not trying to improve.
    Nations that were already excellent or only slight infringements and not becoming worse of course could be allowed for. If nations that were very bad but taking strong steps then maybe obtain provisional recognition that could last many years whilst that condition remains. I am sure lawyers could work out the finer points.

    I feel international human rights lawyers and diplomatic officers could easily sort important benchmarks that could be accurately monitored. That is what intelligent and experienced people are for.

    Why single out Israel? The Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been only becoming worse for about 75 years. Gaza is nothing more than an open prison. The West Bank is being cut up against all international laws. The creation of the state of Israel itself was a colonial racist and sectarian act. Israel attempts to become a "normal" modern and fair country and is making great efforts for such recognition. It has Oz and USA eating out of the palm of her hand. No other country has become "normal" whilst still degrading the life of millions of Palestinians where starvation is even taking place. An "insignificant" country that also does the "Israeli" act probably has very little to lose if sanctions were applied. Their leadership does not attempt to mix and cultivate the world leaders how Israel has done. And furthermore I doubt that insignificant countries would be organising major chess tournaments.

    So Israel is an unique case how South Africa was fifty years ago - it also wanted to be part of the world community. Sport is not more important than human rights etc.. The important thing is that chess players are not overly duly been penalised for their country's actions. International assistance would be provided to such players if deemed necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Good List...but why not Include Russia? Far more dangerous than Belarus!
    I think we all know the answer to that one where Trump is concerned

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