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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    GB could become a crowd favourite by appealing to reason.
    Oh, when does he intend to start?
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    GB spouts the usual atheopathic nonsense about faith, but biblical faith uses logic

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    Faith closes the mind.
    “Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”—G.K. Chesterton

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    Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.
    What is your basis for assuming that you are one of the moral people? I see no evidence so far. Plenty of outraged ranting, but no moral reasoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop View Post
    The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]
    Yes, exactly, so biblical faith, as opposed to your moronic caricature, includes reason and logic. Jesus endorsed Isaiah, and Jesus is called the Logos, the word from which we derive "logic". Deal with Loving God with all your mind: logic and creation instead of wasting our time knocking down straw men.

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    How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?
    I don't know who these "literalists" are, unless you mean the same as Augustine and Tyndale, where the "literal" meaning is the meaning it would have had to its original readers. So it would correspond to "originalism" in legal theory. This is the most logical understanding.

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    Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
    “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
    “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
    Prove these quotes exist, and provide context. Luther was very well educated in logic, and this shines through in his books. He did denounce "reason" in a way that modern writers would signify with scare quotes, i.e. relying on false premises or false logic, but used real reason frequently.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Gnosticism was anti-woman

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    So do I. Harm reduction.
    You support the persecutions of Christians in atheopathic communist countries then?

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    Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies,
    What would you prefer? The slave-holding ideologies of Classical Greece and Rome? In reality, slavery was ubiquitous, and questioned only in the Christian west by the likes of William Wilberforce and his colleagues, who would be called "the religious right" if they were alive today,

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop View Post
    have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions.
    I don't know what "homophobic" is supposed to mean, because the etymology suggests "fear of the same". But what cultures do you think had equal rights for women and gays?

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    Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
    What would you know or even care?

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    Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
    You really are clueless aren't you? The most famous gnostic ‘christian’ writing is the so-called Gospel of Thomas, and its Saying 114 is:

    Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

    This doesn't sound anything like the pro-woman Jesus recorded in the real Gospels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop View Post
    Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.
    Jesus frequently appealed to the supernatural. What is your basis for denying this?
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    So Capa Fan, did females get a front row seat in Heaven if they transgendered? Jesus was really a groovy guy for his day
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    Hi C F.

    What a vile personality. I will enjoy denutting you.

    I will have to be careful with my language or you might get me banned for being honest with you.
    Do try to be civil and a good loser.

    You are demonstrably a piece of moral garbage but might have the ability to repent for your thinking.

    "You really are clueless aren't you? The most famous gnostic ‘christian’ writing is the so-called Gospel of Thomas, and its Saying 114 is:

    Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

    This doesn't sound anything like the pro-woman Jesus recorded in the real Gospels."

    In the real doctored gospels, Jesus is for the full inclusion of women. He said the could preach, heal and prophesy.

    Gnostic Jesus agrees fully and ads a caveat. Because of our mammalian tendencies, men should always put women and children ahead of ourselves. The law of the sea thinking.

    Jesus saw Yahweh as androgynous. He followed the Jewish esoteric and aural traditions. This is clear. He could not write but Mary likely did.

    Jesus is also known for liking Mary the most and if you read love into this text, it is almost pornographic in depicting a spiritual kiss and near melding between Jesus and Mary.

    "See, I am going to attract her to make her male"

    Jesus, to me, was showing how to kiss Mary. Who knows what the scribes of our myths were trying to show.

    Do not read myths too literally. You might foolishly start believing in the supernatural.

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    Hi C.F.

    "What is your basis for assuming that you are one of the moral people?"

    I claim so on the basis of the number of Christian people that lose when trying to best me.

    I am like a plague to your ilk as I force you with, your own WORD, to repent by giving arguments from scriptures that show you wrong.

    You have left skid marks yourself on touchy issues like a god who kills when he can cure.

    My god cures. Your god does not. Your god is morally inferior.

    And what about that infanticide thing even before sin was invented?

    You give points for that totally unjust B.S.?

    Say it isn't so.

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    "Logos, the word from which we derive "logic"."

    Indeed.

    Why this information while you are coming from a place of mythos.

    Do you wish to talk reality or what you have been doing?

    Do you believe in talking serpents and donkeys or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post

    Jesus frequently appealed to the supernatural. What is your basis for denying this?
    Eh. Chapter and verse please.

    He said we could do all he did and more and no one does anything supernatural. No one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by C-F4
    You really are clueless aren't you? The most famous gnostic ‘christian’ writing is the so-called Gospel of Thomas, and its Saying 114 is:

    Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

    This doesn't sound anything like the pro-woman Jesus recorded in the real Gospels.
    In the real doctored gospels, Jesus is for the full inclusion of women. He said the could preach, heal and prophesy.
    The real Gospels of the New Testament say that. If you want to claim that they are doctored, then show us earlier undoctored manuscripts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Bishop View Post
    Gnostic Jesus agrees fully and ads a caveat. Because of our mammalian tendencies, men should always put women and children ahead of ourselves. The law of the sea thinking.
    Wow, you can't even see that your own fake gnostic gospel claims that women are unworthy of life, and must become male.

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    Do not read myths too literally. You might foolishly start believing in the supernatural.
    Another ipse dixit. Your bluff and bluster doesn't work on us.

    Note that one of your heroes, Clinton R. Dawkins, admits in his latest book Outgrowing God:

    Whether irrational or not, it does, unfortunately, seem plausible that, if somebody sincerely believes God is watching his every move, he might be more likely to be good. I must say that I hate that idea. I want to believe that humans are better than that. I’d like to believe I’m honest whether anyone is watching or not.

    According to The Times:

    Richard Dawkins said he feared that if religion were abolished it would “give people a licence to do really bad things”. He said that security camera surveillance of customers in shops did appear to deter shoplifting, adding that people might feel free to do wrong without a “divine spy camera in the sky reading their every thought”.

    “People may feel free to do bad things because they feel God is no longer watching them,” he told The Times and The Sunday Times Cheltenham Literature Festival. He recalled an experiment by one of his former pupils, Melissa Bateson at the University of Newcastle, who introduced a coffee honesty box for her…
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    So Capa Fan, did females get a front row seat in Heaven if they transgendered? Jesus was really a groovy guy for his day
    It was only the false Jesus of the Gnostic Gospels that GB loves that demand that all females should be trangendered.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    It was only the false Jesus of the Gnostic Gospels that GB loves that demand that all females should be trangendered.
    I couldn't handle Sarah H Sanders and Kellyanne Conway as they are now I would run a hundred miles if they t/g. But my other t/g friends okay. Could you handle those two 24/7?
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    I couldn't handle Sarah H Sanders and Kellyanne Conway as they are now I would run a hundred miles if they t/g. But my other t/g friends okay. Could you handle those two 24/7?
    Sarah would join Hells Angels and Kellyanne push Hannity out of a job
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    It was only the false Jesus of the Gnostic Gospels that GB loves that demand that all females should be trangendered.
    Souls, like Yahweh and most other gods we have made up, goof, are androgynous.

    Souls means life force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The real Gospels of the New Testament say that. If you want to claim that they are doctored, then show us earlier undoctored manuscripts.


    Wow, you can't even see that your own fake gnostic gospel claims that women are unworthy of life, and must become male.


    Another ipse dixit. Your bluff and bluster doesn't work on us.

    Note that one of your heroes, Clinton R. Dawkins, admits in his latest book Outgrowing God:

    Whether irrational or not, it does, unfortunately, seem plausible that, if somebody sincerely believes God is watching his every move, he might be more likely to be good. I must say that I hate that idea. I want to believe that humans are better than that. I’d like to believe I’m honest whether anyone is watching or not.

    According to The Times:

    Richard Dawkins said he feared that if religion were abolished it would “give people a licence to do really bad things”. He said that security camera surveillance of customers in shops did appear to deter shoplifting, adding that people might feel free to do wrong without a “divine spy camera in the sky reading their every thought”.

    “People may feel free to do bad things because they feel God is no longer watching them,” he told The Times and The Sunday Times Cheltenham Literature Festival. He recalled an experiment by one of his former pupils, Melissa Bateson at the University of Newcastle, who introduced a coffee honesty box for her…
    So you would join the Captain Coward Club.

    Good to know.

    Cowards can never be moral.

    Oy mate. You are quite the ****ed up bloke.

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    DL I make allowances for top chess folk because I don't expect them to be brilliant without having strong weak points as well. There will be exceptions of course. I recommend don't insult top players. They can't help how they are.
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    DL I make allowances for top chess folk because I don't expect them to be brilliant without having strong weak points as well. There will be exceptions of course. I recommend don't insult top players. They can't help how they are.
    I hear you.

    Our friend quoted Dawkins but did not quote where he said that our friend's ilk where a disgrace to the human race.

    I see them as more of a menace.



    Regards
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