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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    The GP is looking redundant considering that there are already two Candidates places determined by two-game knockouts with rapid playoffs via the World Cup, which really is already at least one too many. It would be sensible to ditch the GP and have three places from a Grand Swiss. Or maybe more than one Grand Swiss. Or think of another format not requiring a GP, or at least not one in this format.
    What's the news about Grischuk though? I have read a report that he has qualified regardless! Is that correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    What's the news about Grischuk though? I have read a report that he has qualified regardless! Is that correct?
    Yes and that was noted in post 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Yes and that was noted in post 2.
    gotcha thanks had missed that!
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    Curiously if Nepo qualifies...Alekseenko qualifies by default .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Curiously if Nepo qualifies...Alekseenko qualifies by default .
    And Nepo has eliminated MVL so he has just one more match to win if that's to happen.

    It seems now based on what has been said about the wild card that precisely two out of MVL, Nepo and Alekseenko will be Candidates.

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    Wei Yi is Nepo's opponent in the final. He won a crushing victory in the second rapid against Navara.

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    Nepo wins game 1 with black, so MVL's Candidates chances are hanging by a thread.

    His opponent could have taken a draw on move 30 (by writing and declaring his intention to play 31.Qg4+). Eventuallly lost in 95 moves instead.
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    Nepo wins the match and is a Candidate, which presumably means Alekseenko is too and MVL is not.

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    Not sure if people in the western world follow this. After Russia nominated young GM Kirill Alekseenko (his uncle is my good mate and lives in Sydney) to play in the candidates, Russian speaking french GM Vachier-Lagrave published an article. Basically he is saying that it is not fair. Instead he is suggesting to play a match and see who is stronger and more deserving to play in the candidates.

    P.S. Sort of reminds to me what happened about 5 years ago when Anton was challenged in a very similar way.

    P.S.2 I presume it feels very unfair when you are number 7 in the world and you think that your spot is taken by number 37.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad View Post
    Not sure if people in the western world follow this. After Russia nominated young GM Kirill Alekseenko (his uncle is my good mate and lives in Sydney) to play in the candidates, Russian speaking french GM Vachier-Lagrave published an article. Basically he is saying that it is not fair. Instead he is suggesting to play a match and see who is stronger and more deserving to play in the candidates.
    I really think FIDE should get rid of wild cards for the Candidates Matches.

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    Sure, but ex ante rather than ex post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad View Post
    Sure, but ex ante rather than ex post.
    Agreed.

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    Alekseenko may well be number 37 but he finished third in the Grand Swiss (second excluding the winner who was already qualified, and level with Carlsen but ahead on tie-break) and made the last 16 in the World Cup before being eliminated by Ding Liren.

    Supposing there wasn't a wild card, how would the extra place be determined? It would be logical to have a second place from the Grand Swiss. That would mean two places each from the three qualifiers. More importantly, there are already four places from two-game knockouts (World Cup and GP) so there is more justification for a second place from the Swiss than a fifth place from knockouts. If you think of it that way, Alekseenko getting the wild card is merely restoring the place that he would already have if the wild card didn't exist.

    However MVL is possibly on to something with his suggestion of a playoff match. Perhaps as part of the qualification process there could be a sort of repechage round robin of the eight nearest misses, which would give all the participants an equal last chance and address one of the holes in the system, namely that there are no qualifiers in the same format as the Candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    I really think FIDE should get rid of wild cards for the Candidates Matches.
    There are wild cards in all sports though. In tennis for instance: each GrandSlam organiser can nominate 8 wild cards. Some are given away due to agreements between the organisers. For example. Each year, one of the Aus Open wild cards goes to a French player and one French open one - to Auzzie.

    It does feel unfair where there are only 8 players. However, the reality is:
    1) chess is the only sport where Russians have not been ''kicked out'' due to doping scandals...so they will want to make the most of it
    2) The Russian Chess Federation announced ''wild card qualification process'' at the time when there was a possibility - no Russian player was going to qualify by normal means
    3) At least there are some restrictions in place or else wild card would go to Karjakin simply because he/his manager would pull some political triggers
    4) with all due respect to VL ....he had a chance to qualify - he just had to beat Nepo..but he did not. Ok its unfair...but what about Anand, Aronian etc...if a tournament is held in Armenia or India...who would nominate VL?
    5) Changing the rules at such a late stage would cause chaos.

    other than that, VL does have a point!
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