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    Tournaments for June 2019 ACF Ratings

    Normal Tournaments currently submitted for June 2019 ACF Ratings.
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    Tournaments Rated
    ACT
    	11/03/2019  34  7  2019 ACT Chess Championship
    	24/03/2019  24  6  2019 Autumn Junior Weekender
    	20/03/2019  53  9  2019 Canberra Cup
    	07/05/2019  10  7  2019 Murphy Memorial
    	22/04/2019  63  7  2019 O2C Doeberl Cup Major
    	22/04/2019  78  7  2019 O2C Doeberl Cup Minor
    	22/04/2019  52  9  2019 O2C Doeberl Cup Premier
    	20/04/2019  60  6  2019 O2C Doeberl Cup Under 1200
    	19/03/2019  12  7  2019 University Cup
    NSW
    	14/05/2019 104  1  2019 Big Boards Match Norths V St. George - St. George Leg
    	22/04/2019  15  7  2019 Canterbury Club Championship
    	07/04/2019  42  6  2019 Dubbo Open
    	27/05/2019  10  9  2019 Harbord Club Championship Grade A
    	27/05/2019   6 10  2019 Harbord Club Championship Grade B
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 Norths Club Candidatessioopen.com
    
    	01/05/2019  10  9  2019 Norths Club Championship
    	01/05/2019  10  9  2019 Norths Reserves A
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 Norths Reserves B
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 Norths Reserves C
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 Norths Reserves D
    	03/05/2019  10  9  2019 Norths Reserves E
    	30/04/2019  44  9  2019 Norths Swiss Division
    	23/04/2019  24  1  2019 Norths v Harbord Little Boards Match (Norths Leg)
    	01/04/2019  53  7  2019 Rooty Hill Autumn Swiss
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 St. George Club Championship
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 St. George Club Championship Division 2
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 St. George Club Championship Division 3
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 St. George Club Championship Division 4
    	30/04/2019  10  9  2019 St. George Club Championship Division 5
    	30/04/2019   6 10  2019 St. George Club Championship Division 6
    	15/04/2019  14  6  2019 Sydney Chess Club Inner West Open
    	28/04/2019  75  9  2019 Sydney International Challengers
    	28/04/2019  56  9  2019 Sydney International Open
    QLD
    	09/05/2019  38  7  2019 BCC Autumn Swiss
    	21/03/2019  41  7  2019 BCC Summer Swiss
    	19/05/2019  37  7  2019 Gold Coast Juniors U18
    	15/03/2019  16  5  2019 Jack Tweed Memorial
    	17/03/2019  59  6  2019 March Open
    	06/05/2019  65  7  2019 Queensland Open
    	03/04/2019  23  6  2019 Redcliffe Tal Memorial
    	23/04/2019  19  5  2019 Suncoast Autumn Leaves
    	08/02/2019  11  5  2019 Toowoomba Summer Swiss
    	19/03/2019  13  6  2019 Townsville Summer Swiss
    	07/04/2019  62  6  2019 Wendy Terry Memorial
    SA
    	02/04/2019  18  9  2019 South Australian Candidates
    	02/04/2019  10  9  2019 South Australian Championship
    TAS
    	11/03/2019  26  7  2019 Tasmanian Championship
    VIC
    	11/03/2019 126  7  2019 Ballarat Begonia Open
    	11/03/2019  59  5  2019 Ballarat Begonia U1200
    	05/04/2019  80  9  2019 Box Hill Autumn Cup
    	31/03/2019  63  6  2019 Box Hill Sunday Arvo 1
    	31/03/2019  46  7  2019 Chess Artists Caulfield Club Championship
    	04/04/2019  23  9  2019 Croydon Open
    	09/04/2019  36  5  2019 Hobsons Bay Purdy Cup
    	28/04/2019  78  7  2019 MCC ANZAC Day Weekender
    	08/04/2019  50  9  2019 MCC Club Championship
    	28/03/2019   7  5  2019 Mentone Open
    	20/04/2019  20  9  2019 Noble Park Club Championship
    WA
    	22/04/2019  17  6  2019 Gufeld Cup
    	11/04/2019  10  9  2019 Metro Club Championship Div A
    	11/04/2019   9  9  2019 Metro Club Championship Div B
    	11/04/2019  10  9  2019 Metro Club Championship Div C
    	11/04/2019   9  9  2019 Metro Club Championship Div D
    	20/03/2019   8  7  2019 Perth 8 Player Group A
    	20/03/2019   8  7  2019 Perth 8 Player Group B
    	20/03/2019   8  7  2019 Perth 8 Player Group C
    	20/03/2019  13  7  2019 Perth 8 Player Group D
    	06/04/2019  22  7  2019 Perth Chess Academy Term 1
    	22/05/2019  31  7  2019 Perth Club Championship
    	19/03/2019  29  7  2019 Southern Suburbs Open
    	17/04/2019  14  9  2019 WA Junior Championship - Under 14
    	18/04/2019  10  7  2019 WA Junior Championship - Under 18
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    Quick Tournaments currently submitted for June 2019 ACF Ratings.
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    Tournaments Rated
    ACT
    	10/04/2019  39  9  2019 Canberra Club Rapid Championship
    	20/04/2019 114  9  2019 O2C Doeberl Cup Blitz
    	09/04/2019  28  6  2019 Turner School Term 1
    	27/04/2019  14  7  Street Chess - 27 April 2019
    	13/04/2019  16  7  Street Chess 13 April 2019
    	16/03/2019  15  7  Street Chess 16 March 2019
    	02/03/2019  15  7  Street Chess 2 March 2019
    	23/02/2019  18  7  Street Chess 23 February 2019
    	23/03/2019  12  7  Street Chess 23 March 2019
    	30/03/2019  17  7  Street Chess 30 March 2019
    	04/05/2019  19  7  Street Chess 4 May 2019
    	06/04/2019   9  7  Street Chess 6 April 2019
    	09/03/2019   8  7  Street Chess 9 March 2019
    NSW
    	19/05/2019  21  6  2019 2019 Allan and Dorothy Wright Challenge
    	10/03/2019  72  9  2019 City of Sydney Blitz
    	07/05/2019  34 11  2019 Club Lightning Championship
    	28/04/2019  64  7  2019 Macquarie University Junior Rapid
    	07/05/2019  41  9  2019 Norths Autumn Blitz
    	13/04/2019  22  9  2019 Sydney Chess Club April Blitz
    	03/03/2019  28 11  2019 Sydney Chess Club March Blitz
    	05/05/2019  22  9  2019 Sydney Chess Club May Blitz
    	20/05/2019  13  7  2019 Sydney Chess Club May Rapid
    	23/04/2019  69  9  2019 Sydney International Blitz
    SA
    	25/04/2019  24  7  2019 ANZAC Day Allegro
    	16/04/2019  10  5  2019 April Allegro
    	09/04/2019  13 13  2019 SA Lightning Championship
    	17/03/2019  14  7  2019 SA Rapid Championship
    TAS
    	27/05/2019  16  5  2019 HCC May Allegro
    	08/04/2019  24  6  2019 HCC Open Rapid
    	10/04/2019  10 18  2019 Lindsay Atkinson Memorial
    	25/04/2019   9  9  2019 Sturges Memorial Blitz
    VIC
    	14/04/2019  25  7  2019 Chess Artists April Allegro
    	14/04/2019  12  7  2019 Chess Victoria Age-Group Rapid U08 Boys
    	14/04/2019  16  7  2019 Chess Victoria Age-Group Rapid U10 Boys
    	14/04/2019  13  7  2019 Chess Victoria Age-Group Rapid U10-12 Girls
    	14/04/2019  13  7  2019 Chess Victoria Age-Group Rapid U11 Boys
    	14/04/2019  19  7  2019 Chess Victoria Age-Group Rapid U12 Boys
    	14/04/2019  14  7  2019 Chess Victoria Age-Group Rapid U13-14 Boys
    	14/04/2019   8  7  2019 Chess Victoria Age-Group Rapid U13-17 Girls
    	14/04/2019   8  7  2019 Chess Victoria Age-Group Rapid U15-18 Boys
    	20/03/2019  20 12  2019 Dandenong Rapid March
    WA
    	09/04/2019   9  9  2019 SSCC Autumn Allegro
    	26/03/2019  14 13  2019 SSCC Autumn Blitz
    	17/03/2019  46  9  2019 WA Allegro Championships
    	18/04/2019  51 11  2019 WA Junior Blitz Championships
    	17/04/2019  15  9  2019 WA Junior Championship - Under 10
    	16/04/2019  20 11  2019 WA Junior Championship - Under 12
    	16/04/2019  15  9  2019 WA Junior Championship - Under 8
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    Hi Bill, quick question.

    I submitted a couple of non Swiss tournaments through my State ratings officer in this rating period using SwissPerfect.

    My reason for doing so at the time was because SwissPerfect was more versatile when it came to either a single round team match or a round-robin manual pairing, (which Vega disallows), and also, I was more familiar with the program.

    My state ratings officer has requested that I submit all future tournaments using Vega. I am happy enough to do this, (I have found a workaround with Vega by starting the tournament as a Swiss, and then manually pairing).

    I can understand you wanting to retain SwissPerfect submissions as not all Clubs/tournaments have upgraded yet, however, if Vega is your preferred submission option would, you please advise?

    I don't want to add uncessarily to anyone's workload by using SwissPerfect instead of Vega. :-)

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    The organiser of the St George Club Lightning submitted the SP files on May 8 for that event? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by newlasker View Post
    The organiser of the St George Club Lightning submitted the SP files on May 8 for that event? Thanks
    So, what's your point. It is in the quick list above. Perhaps next time you should check what he actually called the tournament.
    It isn't my problem if the organiser simply calls his tournament Club Lightning Championship.
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    not my problem either, I was checking if it was there, thank you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    Hi Bill, quick question.

    I submitted a couple of non Swiss tournaments through my State ratings officer in this rating period using SwissPerfect.
    Fair enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    My reason for doing so at the time was because SwissPerfect was more versatile when it came to either a single round team match or a round-robin manual pairing, (which Vega disallows), and also, I was more familiar with the program.
    Why would you want to manually pair a round robin? The round robin pairings should follow the berger tables. Do you mean change the order of the rounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    My state ratings officer has requested that I submit all future tournaments using Vega. I am happy enough to do this, (I have found a workaround with Vega by starting the tournament as a Swiss, and then manually pairing).
    See my comment above.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    I can understand you wanting to retain SwissPerfect submissions as not all Clubs/tournaments have upgraded yet, however, if Vega is your preferred submission option would, you please advise?
    Vega is the preferred format for FIDE rated tournaments and all clubs running them should have been provided with a valid Vega licence. Swiss Perfect does not follow the latest FIDE pairing rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    I don't want to add uncessarily to anyone's workload by using SwissPerfect instead of Vega. :-)
    I believe most clubs have been given Vega licences and eventually (probably from January 2020) Vega will be the only acceptable format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newlasker View Post
    not my problem either, I was checking if it was there, thank you...
    Then next time don't waste my time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos View Post
    Fair enough.
    Why would you want to manually pair a round robin? The round robin pairings should follow the berger tables. Do you mean change the order of the rounds?
    Hi Bill, thanks for your question. :-)

    I suspect this issue may be confined to smaller clubs.

    In Bendigo, we have a small number of players and a yearly Club Championship format whereby the top six qualifiers (from a qualifying tournament) play in a round-robin event (finals tournament).
    We used to simply use the computer (SwissPerfect) pairings after entering every player's name and rating to draw the finals tournament.
    The drawback of this was that the computer pairing program would always pair the colours in exactly the same way (ie the top seed would always have White against the second seed).
    As a small club, the top seed and second seed were often the very same players, year after year.
    Given the above process, it seemed that the top seed was always given an advantage in their game against the second seed by having White.
    To get around this, we now enter the names as Player 1, Player 2, Player 3 etc with no ratings and use the pairing program to decide the pairings and colours.
    The top six qualifed players then draw lots as to who is Player 1, Player 2, etc.
    This has helped to randomise the colours, and the top seed can no longer bank on having White against the second seed, year after year.

    The only other modification we do is to change the order of the rounds to have the first and second seeds play in the final round (which is something you have indicated in your query above). This is easily done manually and doesn't require any software modification.

    There may also be other reasons for wanting to manually pair a round-robin event, such as entering a substitute player.

    In any case, thank you for the effort you put into doing the ratings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    Given the above process, it seemed that the top seed was always given an advantage in their game against the second seed by having White
    It's true that the Berger tables give #1 White vs #2. They also give the top half the extra White where there is an odd number. This is why numbers should be assigned randomly so everyone has an equal chance of being every number.

    Vega has an option to randomly arrange the order when doing the pairings, which saves a bit of effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    Hi Bill, thanks for your question. :-)

    I suspect this issue may be confined to smaller clubs.

    In Bendigo, we have a small number of players and a yearly Club Championship format whereby the top six qualifiers (from a qualifying tournament) play in a round-robin event (finals tournament).
    We used to simply use the computer (SwissPerfect) pairings after entering every player's name and rating to draw the finals tournament.
    The drawback of this was that the computer pairing program would always pair the colours in exactly the same way (ie the top seed would always have White against the second seed).
    As a small club, the top seed and second seed were often the very same players, year after year.
    Given the above process, it seemed that the top seed was always given an advantage in their game against the second seed by having White.
    To get around this, we now enter the names as Player 1, Player 2, Player 3 etc with no ratings and use the pairing program to decide the pairings and colours.
    The top six qualifed players then draw lots as to who is Player 1, Player 2, etc.
    This has helped to randomise the colours, and the top seed can no longer bank on having White against the second seed, year after year.
    In Vega when you close the registration for a round robin it will prompt you how you want to assign the ID number.
    It gives you the options FIDE Rule, Random and no sort. In your scenario just select random.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    The only other modification we do is to change the order of the rounds to have the first and second seeds play in the final round (which is something you have indicated in your query above). This is easily done manually and doesn't require any software modification.
    You can do this in Vega using the menu option Extras --> Round Robin Calendar --> Assign pairing to different round.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    There may also be other reasons for wanting to manually pair a round-robin event, such as entering a substitute player.
    Technically that is no longer a round robin.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElevatorEscapee View Post
    In any case, thank you for the effort you put into doing the ratings.
    Thanks.
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