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    Make it 7.5/9!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    And could have been 7.5! If only he would be that relaxed during the WCC matches - they would be a whitewash!
    And … it is 7.5, performance ~3000. So if he keeps this up, challengers won't be able to draw the classical matches any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    And … it is 7.5, performance ~3000. So if he keeps this up, challengers won't be able to draw the classical matches any more.
    25 points to go till 2900, lets see if he can maintain the consistency.

    We should also know his attitude. With the first place guaranteed - he played on for win anyway while Caruana and co had quick draws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    25 points to go till 2900, lets see if he can maintain the consistency.
    It will be a long painstaking way to 2900! Eventually he will be earning 1-2 pts per tournament due to lack of opponents of sufficient strength.
    I expect something like what happened to Bobby Fischer in 1972 where by winning the WC match vs Spassky he actually lost rating points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    It will be a long painstaking way to 2900! Eventually he will be earning 1-2 pts per tournament due to lack of opponents of sufficient strength.
    I expect something like what happened to Bobby Fischer in 1972 where by winning the WC match vs Spassky he actually lost rating points.



    first and/or equal first
    He just needs to keep playing like he is playing now...or close to it...but of course it is hard to play at this level consistently. Lets see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    25 points to go till 2900, lets see if he can maintain the consistency.

    We should also know his attitude. With the first place guaranteed - he played on for win anyway while Caruana and co had quick draws.
    Yes. He is already world champ and winner of many tournaments, and has won enough money that he could retire even now. The only thing he has left to prove is getting his rating up to 2900—before rating inflation makes this slightly less meaningful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The only thing he has left to prove is getting his rating up to 2900—before rating inflation makes this slightly less meaningful.
    I am fairly certain he has a goal of retaining the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metro View Post
    I am fairly certain he has a goal of retaining the WC.
    Yes, obviously, but I think he has higher goals now that he has achieved that: 2900 rating, and maybe even Greatest of All Time.

    Conversely, it's likely that Fischer didn't want to play any more after 1972, until 1992, because he had reached the top and it was only down from there: not just world champ, but highest rating of all time up to then, and ahead of everyone else in the world by such a big margin that he lost points winning the title, and already regarded by many in his day as GoAT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Yes, obviously, but I think he has higher goals now that he has achieved that: 2900 rating, and maybe even Greatest of All Time.

    Conversely, it's likely that Fischer didn't want to play any more after 1972, until 1992, because he had reached the top and it was only down from there: not just world champ, but highest rating of all time up to then, and ahead of everyone else in the world by such a big margin that he lost points winning the title, and already regarded by many in his day as GoAT.
    Not sure that people obsessed about ratings in those days to the extent they do now. Even now rating isn't really a bigger achievement than being world champion. It's a measure that you've played well and won a lot of games but if you don't translate that into something real then it will be forgotten by next Friday.

    In any event Fischer still had plenty to play for in defending the title against the Communists. It was his other issues that were the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    Not sure that people obsessed about ratings in those days to the extent they do now. Even now rating isn't really a bigger achievement than being world champion. It's a measure that you've played well and won a lot of games but if you don't translate that into something real then it will be forgotten by next Friday.
    I agree, and that strengthens my point that Fischer had less to play for than Carlsen. IIRC, in Fischer's day, people were rather skeptical of Elo's system, and it was the fact that it predicted the score of the 1972 match fairly well that gained credibility for it.

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    In any event Fischer still had plenty to play for in defending the title against the Communists.
    As far as he was concerned, he had already vanquished the Communist team almost single handedly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout View Post
    It was his other issues that were the problem.
    Hard to argue with that.
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