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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    ''We'' have our country to see. RE ''young Chinese nationalists'' - my students are not young chinese or taiwanese nationalists or nepalese nationalists for this matter...they have better things to do. ...
    So why are your Chinese students so anxious to get out of China and gain Australian residency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Australia has followed suit on winter olympic boycott.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...08-p59frw.html
    Now UK and Canada. The snowball is rolling


    Canada and Britain join diplomatic boycott of Beijing Winter Olympics, amid human rights concerns

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    There is absolurly no way to know who the Chinese people would support because not only have they not been given an opportunity, they have been persecuted for expressing any view against the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Colliver View Post
    There is absolurly no way to know who the Chinese people would support because not only have they not been given an opportunity, they have been persecuted for expressing any view against the government.
    However they do confide in Michael (all 1.5 billion of them). That's how he is able to tell us how they feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Pretty funny comment considering china was importing about $3b of aussie booze as recently as last year. Not to mention barley.

    Also working hard and smart is not how you succeed in a totalitarian state. Being a party member and befriending the right people is everything. Just ask Pooh Bear, son of senior CCP stock.
    They do not overdrink it though.
    So how has Andrews been working...hard? or smart? ..Smart I guess...
    Befriending right people is a universal benefit. Great to have friends...who are smart, educated, interesting and ambicious - anything wrong with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    So why are your Chinese students so anxious to get out of China and gain Australian residency?
    First of all you may have noticed, unlike international students from other countries, not all Chinese students want residency - some go back.

    They want residency for a number of reasons
    1) some like living here 2) some think its a good place to fulfil their business/career plans
    It does not make them resent China or work less hard and smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    First of all you may have noticed, unlike international students from other countries, not all Chinese students want residency - some go back.
    Do they come here to study because Australian education is superior to Chinese, or because they can't qualify for admission at home?

    They want residency for a number of reasons
    1) some like living here 2) some think its a good place to fulfil their business/career plans
    It does not make them resent China or work less hard and smart.
    So they would prefer to live here. I can understand a taste of freedom having that effect.

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    ‘Liberal democracies must face the uncomfortable memories of our past’

    ... “Only totalitarian regimes whitewash their history. It’s totalitarians who delete the past. Who deny people the truth. They’re acting not out of strength, but insecurity. “That’s why China seeks silence about Tiananmen Square. It’s why ordinary Chinese people still don’t really know what happened in Beijing in 1989.” ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    ‘Liberal democracies must face the uncomfortable memories of our past’

    ... “Only totalitarian regimes whitewash their history. It’s totalitarians who delete the past. Who deny people the truth. They’re acting not out of strength, but insecurity. “That’s why China seeks silence about Tiananmen Square. It’s why ordinary Chinese people still don’t really know what happened in Beijing in 1989.” ...
    So another question is: how relevant is what happened in 1989 to Chinese people today (btw, uni students know what happened)? What is important to them: earning money, developing careers and economy or what happened in 1989? Do they care as much as Australians care? and If not...why do not we focus on our developments?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Do they come here to study because Australian education is superior to Chinese, or because they can't qualify for admission at home?



    So they would prefer to live here. I can understand a taste of freedom having that effect.
    A range of reasons.
    For some, top universities in China are hard to get into so they use financial resources of teh family to get into a good uni overseas. Some believe in importance of international education 3. Re taste of freedom: more like freedom from parents and less family pressure in some cases rather than from ''state''

    If people want to live in a house rather than apartment (in China, its mostly apartment living in big cities) it has little to do with the ''taste of freedom from authorities''
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    So another question is: how relevant is what happened in 1989 to Chinese people today (btw, uni students know what happened)? What is important to them: earning money, developing careers and economy or what happened in 1989? Do they care as much as Australians care? and If not...why do not we focus on our developments?
    If it's no longer relevant, why does the Chinese government go to such extremes to whitewash history?

    China’s Tiananmen anniversary crackdowns reach far beyond the firewall

    'I've Been Told Lies.' Young Chinese Recall When They First Learned of Tiananmen

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    So another question is: how relevant is what happened in 1989 to Chinese people today (btw, uni students know what happened)? What is important to them: earning money, developing careers and economy or what happened in 1989? Do they care as much as Australians care? and If not...why do not we focus on our developments?
    How relevant is a massacre of thousands of innocent Chinese citizens by the same government that rules China today? Because there's no guarantee that the Chinese government won't do the same thing again in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    They do not overdrink it though.
    Any evidence for this?

    So how has Andrews been working...hard? or smart? ..Smart I guess...
    Befriending right people is a universal benefit. Great to have friends...who are smart, educated, interesting and ambicious - anything wrong with it?
    Whatever your opinion of Andrews may be, and however poorly founded it is, you're free to express it on a public forum under your name with no fear of reprisal. The same thing cannot be done in totalitarian china, to do it would basically be suicide. Even the image of the leader as Pooh Bear is verboten, that's one thing you will nah-see on the internet there.

    Of course if you are critical of Andrews for locking down to prevent the spread of covid, you must be doubly so of china with the 0-covid policy. Funny thing though, I don't recall seeing those criticisms from you.

    By the way Re china working hard and smart, is the ongoing theft of western intellectual property falling into the hard or smart category in your book, or both?

    Steam removes popular Chinese strategy game after Ark: Survival Evolved studio claims it stole their source code
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Any evidence for this?

    Whatever your opinion of Andrews may be, and however poorly founded it is, you're free to express it on a public forum under your name with no fear of reprisal. The same thing cannot be done in totalitarian china, to do it would basically be suicide. Even the image of the leader as Pooh Bear is verboten, that's one thing you will nah-see on the internet there.

    Of course if you are critical of Andrews for locking down to prevent the spread of covid, you must be doubly so of china with the 0-covid policy. Funny thing though, I don't recall seeing those criticisms from you.

    By the way Re china working hard and smart, is the ongoing theft of western intellectual property falling into the hard or smart category in your book, or both?

    Steam removes popular Chinese strategy game after Ark: Survival Evolved studio claims it stole their source code
    Funny, enough Chinese policy works. 1 day ago Victoria recorded 1193 cases still!!!! Even more ''funny'' that in Victoria nothing works! We had lockdowns but instead of zero covid ...over 1000 cases a day (despite all the vaccinations)
    As I mentioned previously, Chinese do not care about leader image. They care about getting education, earning money, investing money. It is a different mentality. This is the mentality that explains success of Chinese in Austrlaia too - success thinking that now spans across generations and translates into chinese kids beating auzzie kids in chess, maths and everything else.

    Anyway, we can procrastinate all we like about China ....while it grows stronger and we will still be procrastinating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Funny, enough Chinese policy works. 1 day ago Victoria recorded 1193 cases still!!!! Even more ''funny'' that in Victoria nothing works! We had lockdowns but instead of zero covid ...over 1000 cases a day (despite all the vaccinations)
    We know how many cases there are in Victoria because we live in an open society where such figures are publically available and scrutinised by the free press. In contrast, china does not publish any credible figures, so what their cases have been over the last 18+ months, we actually have no idea. So you have no standing whatsoever to draw a comparison.

    As I mentioned previously, Chinese do not care about leader image.
    Did you mention this previously? Because it is hard to imagine a more ridiculous thing that anyone could ever say about china. China cares immensely about the image of the leader which is why they go to great lengths to censor literally everything in the country through the great firewall of china. We also have the situation where the world walks on eggshells around the honey guzzling despot, and doesn't want to name a covid variant Xi. Even Delta Goodrem saw the funny side of it. What a pathetic little man he must be.

    They care about getting education, earning money, investing money. It is a different mentality.
    If they commit genocide who cares what else they do.

    Anyway, we can procrastinate all we like about China ....while it grows stronger and we will still be procrastinating.
    So they're still a developing country according to Pooh Bear, and can't even seem to get what they consider their own house in order with respect to taiwan. Sounds like they have a long way to go.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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