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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Chinese in Taiwan (basically the same people as in mainland China) have the same definition of democracy as Australians do.
    And Chinese in mainland China do not...is it possible?
    Or everyone has to accept ''democracy the Western way''?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    And Chinese in mainland China do not...is it possible? Or everyone has to accept ''democracy the Western way''?
    Do people in mainland China have a free choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Do people in mainland China have a free choice?
    Majority of them feels they do! How the westerners feel about ''freedom of Choices'' does not bother them.
    I would love to see a ''free politician'' getting votes in China by talking about ''climate change'' instead of economic or social development policy...would be entertaining to watch...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Majority of them feels they do! How the westerners feel about ''freedom of Choices'' does not bother them.
    I would love to see a ''free politician'' getting votes in China by talking about ''climate change'' instead of economic or social development policy...would be entertaining to watch...
    You're way out of touch

    Does the Chinese public care about climate change?
    Chinadialogue
    21.9.18

    Recent surveys reveal that people are concerned and willing to make small lifestyle changes, writes Li Jing

    China has had an eventful summer marked by record-setting heatwaves, deadly flash floods, and typhoons. The impacts of climate change have been felt in cities and the countryside alike, and seem to have triggered greater public interest in discussing climate change. But will this outburst of curiosity be short-lived? In other words, do Chinese people really care about climate change?

    Yes, they do. As the government tries to position itself as an international leader in responding to global warming, recent surveys show that the public supports the government’s actions. A reassuring 94.4% of respondents to a national survey in 2017 said that climate change is happening, and 66% believe it is mostly caused by human activities....

    Government-led campaigns to promote energy conservation and low-carbon development and lifestyles have been widely publicised in the media. As has the role that China played in forging the Paris Climate Agreement in 2015 – this was a highly acclaimed political event back home.

    So it is not surprising that when asked who should play a greater role in tackling climate change, respondents to the iGDP survey overwhelmingly said that it should be the government. On a scale of 1 to 5, government received 4.11, followed by the media, environmental groups, individuals and enterprises.

    This mindset has also secured public support for the government to limit greenhouse gas emissions (97%), and remain in the Paris Agreement (94%), according to iGDP....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    You're way out of touch

    Does the Chinese public care about climate change?
    Chinadialogue
    21.9.18

    Recent surveys reveal that people are concerned and willing to make small lifestyle changes, writes Li Jing

    China has had an eventful summer marked by record-setting heatwaves, deadly flash floods, and typhoons. The impacts of climate change have been felt in cities and the countryside alike, and seem to have triggered greater public interest in discussing climate change. But will this outburst of curiosity be short-lived? In other words, do Chinese people really care about climate change?

    Yes, they do. As the government tries to position itself as an international leader in responding to global warming, recent surveys show that the public supports the government’s actions. A reassuring 94.4% of respondents to a national survey in 2017 said that climate change is happening, and 66% believe it is mostly caused by human activities....

    Government-led campaigns to promote energy conservation and low-carbon development and lifestyles have been widely publicised in the media. As has the role that China played in forging the Paris Climate Agreement in 2015 – this was a highly acclaimed political event back home.

    So it is not surprising that when asked who should play a greater role in tackling climate change, respondents to the iGDP survey overwhelmingly said that it should be the government. On a scale of 1 to 5, government received 4.11, followed by the media, environmental groups, individuals and enterprises.

    This mindset has also secured public support for the government to limit greenhouse gas emissions (97%), and remain in the Paris Agreement (94%), according to iGDP....
    Are they ''concerned'' or is it a major issue for the Chinese...I can assure you its not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Are they ''concerned'' or is it a major issue for the Chinese...I can assure you its not.
    It's a major issue for the Chinese government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Majority of them feels they do! How the westerners feel about ''freedom of Choices'' does not bother them.
    How do you know this? Are you saying that mainland Chinese are different from Chinese people in Hong Kong or Taiwan? Or is it the government that is different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Are they ''concerned'' or is it a major issue for the Chinese...I can assure you its not.
    On what evidence is your assurance based? Results of recent surveys tell a different story, e.g.

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    https://www.climatechangenews.com/20...limate-change/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    It's a major issue for the Chinese government.
    For example:
    China, in a question to Australia, notes there will be a significant increase in transportation greenhouse gas emissions, and asks what measures Australia plans to take to reduce transport pollution in the future. While the Morrison government pilloried Labor in the recent election campaign for proposing a vehicle emissions standard and targets for the uptake of electric vehicles, characterising Labor’s plans as a “war on the weekend”, government officials have told China the Coalition “is supporting low and zero emissions transport options in a number of ways”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    On what evidence is your assurance based? Results of recent surveys tell a different story, e.g.

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    https://www.climatechangenews.com/20...limate-change/
    Does it answer the question, how much they care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Does it answer the question, how much they care?
    I think one needs to understand that in Chinese culture, there is a fine mix of collective and individual goals - and the key concept is - life needs to have a meaning, a purpose and is meant to be getting better and better through our actions.

    The word ''procrastination'' for instance is hard for many Chinese to comprehend .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    On what evidence is your assurance based? Results of recent surveys tell a different story, e.g.

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    https://www.climatechangenews.com/20...limate-change/
    Even people who can deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre cannot deny climate change
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Does it answer the question, how much they care?
    Obviously it does. 73.7% of respondents care enough to give climate action hip-pocket support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I think one needs to understand that in Chinese culture, there is a fine mix of collective and individual goals - and the key concept is - life needs to have a meaning, a purpose and is meant to be getting better and better through our actions.

    The word ''procrastination'' for instance is hard for many Chinese to comprehend .
    Is that meant to be the evidence on which is based your assurance that climate change is not a major issue for the Chinese? The cost of Chinese climate action certainly makes it look like a major issue

    China puts $6 trillion price tag on its climate plan

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