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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    ... I trust the response will be much more vocal than the response towards events in China given seriousness of the matter...or well lets wait and see!
    China is worse than Brunei.

    EDIT: And Brunei isn't trying to undermine Australian democracy: "A group closely linked to the Chinese Communist party has not declared itself on the federal government’s new foreign influence register, prompting criticism from China experts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    China is worse than Brunei.

    EDIT: And Brunei isn't trying to undermine Australian democracy: "A group closely linked to the Chinese Communist party has not declared itself on the federal government’s new foreign influence register, prompting criticism from China experts."
    China is trying to undermine OUR democracy? What about USA...is it trying to ''undermine'' us then?
    Obviously strong countries have their interests in other parts of the world - does it make China unique?
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    ORGANISED CRIME IN AUSTRALIA 2017
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    ...INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY CRIME
    Intellectual property (IP) crime including piracy, counterfeiting and theft of IP continues to be a significant issue within Australia and overseas. Data published in 2016 by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and the European Union’s Intellectual Property Office estimated the global value of counterfeit goods in 2013 to be US$461 billion, with China listed as the top producer of counterfeit goods. In October 2016, counterfeit skincare goods to the value of A$150,000 marked with the ‘Australian Made’ logo were intercepted by the DIBP on a shipment from China. Instances of cyber-enabled IP crime continue to be detected. For example, in the 10-month period to March 2016, online brand protection and domain name management specialists NetNames removed 2,163,694 counterfeit Billabong Group brand items from online channels.

    CASE STUDY: DIRECT IMPACT OF IP THEFT ON AN AUSTRALIAN BUSINESS
    Adelaide-based communications, metal-detection and mining technology firm Codan was subjected to IP theft after Chinese hackers stole designs for metal detection units in 2012. The impact of this breach led to the company’s net profit falling from A$45 million in the 2012–13 financial year to A$9.2 million in the 2013–14 financial year. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    ORGANISED CRIME IN AUSTRALIA 2017
    Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission, July 2018


    ...INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY CRIME
    Intellectual property (IP) crime including piracy, counterfeiting and theft of IP continues to be a significant issue within Australia and overseas. Data published in 2016 by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and the European Union’s Intellectual Property Office estimated the global value of counterfeit goods in 2013 to be US$461 billion, with China listed as the top producer of counterfeit goods. In October 2016, counterfeit skincare goods to the value of A$150,000 marked with the ‘Australian Made’ logo were intercepted by the DIBP on a shipment from China. Instances of cyber-enabled IP crime continue to be detected. For example, in the 10-month period to March 2016, online brand protection and domain name management specialists NetNames removed 2,163,694 counterfeit Billabong Group brand items from online channels.

    CASE STUDY: DIRECT IMPACT OF IP THEFT ON AN AUSTRALIAN BUSINESS
    Adelaide-based communications, metal-detection and mining technology firm Codan was subjected to IP theft after Chinese hackers stole designs for metal detection units in 2012. The impact of this breach led to the company’s net profit falling from A$45 million in the 2012–13 financial year to A$9.2 million in the 2013–14 financial year. ...
    So hackers come exclusively from China?
    I would be extremely worried if we would not be able to ''grow'' our own .

    Cyber-crime rings exist worldwide. Chinese ones are among the smartest ones obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    In the meantime, expecting Australia to voice its concerns loudly along with the rest of the ''Developed countries'' https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/27/a...ntl/index.html
    I trust the response will be much more vocal than the response towards events in China given seriousness of the matter...or well lets wait and see!
    Why should Australia be more concerned about something that may never happen, compared to the much worse abuses in China which are currently happening?

    And now that you are expressing concern over what the people of Brunei are doing, I assume that you will express similar concern over what the people of China are doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Why should Australia be more concerned about something that may never happen, compared to the much worse abuses in China which are currently happening?

    And now that you are expressing concern over what the people of Brunei are doing, I assume that you will express similar concern over what the people of China are doing?
    May never happen? - Yes, why worry?
    People of China certainly do not have to hide their sexual preferences. Just a different political system.
    So lets worry selectively about those, who chose to run (and doing so successfully) their country differently rather than about those who openly abuse H rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    May never happen? - Yes, why worry?
    I said "more concerned" not "concerned".
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    People of China certainly do not have to hide their sexual preferences. Just a different political system. So lets worry selectively about those, who chose to run (and doing so successfully) their country differently rather than about those who openly abuse H rights.
    Are you seriously claiming that China doesn't openly abuse human rights (freedom of religion, for example)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    I said "more concerned" not "concerned".
    Are you seriously claiming that China doesn't openly abuse human rights (freedom of religion, for example)?
    Chinese is not a Democracy in Western sense. However, I am claiming that majority of Chinese people are happy with the current environment in the country and value economic development far more than ''human rights'' the way we understand them! this has always been my point.

    Current regime is the choice of the Chinese people and if we look at the results - the happy choice.

    In Australia we can go on the street and say loudly prime minister is bad...in China you have to express criticism through other channels. Curiously, these channels may work much better at times.
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    So what you just said doesn't also apply to Brunei? Why not?
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    [Brunei] is not a Democracy in Western sense. However, [I] am claiming that majority of [Brunei] people are happy with the current environment in the country and value economic development far more than ''human rights'' the way we understand them! this has always been [my] point. Current regime is the choice of the [Brunei] people and if [we] look at the results - the happy choice. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    ... Just a different political system. So lets worry selectively about those, who chose to run (and doing so successfully) their country differently rather than about those who openly abuse H rights.
    When Australian citizens are being imprisoned by the Chinese government, we should be worried:
    At least five Australian children are trapped in China, unable to return home because of the Chinese government’s crackdown on Uighur Muslims, the Guardian can reveal. The children, who range in age from one to six, are all Australian citizens and come from three different families. They have been stuck in China for up to two years, and are all separated from at least one of their parents. In one case, the parents say Chinese authorities threatened that the child would be taken into a state-run orphanage and given up for adoption to a Han Chinese family, and the Chinese parent would be sent to a detention centre.
    This is an open abuse of human rights.

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    More must be done to protect academic freedoms under threat from China
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    ... Our research found that the Chinese state’s repressive apparatus follows students from China to Australia. Some university students from China have reported that other students from China monitor what they say and do. These students have described warnings by Chinese officials to refrain from criticising the Chinese government in classroom discussions. Several academics told Human Rights Watch about incidents in which Chinese students described intimidation of their families in China because of what students had said in the classroom, or because they joined certain activities or demonstrations.

    Some China scholars in Australia also censor and self-censor critical discussions. Concerns and fears about getting visas, threats to students or colleagues, and fear of irking administrators and nationalist students are all factors. One academic told me, "Increasingly there are these 'no-go zones' that very few people are willing to research, to give public comment on, especially controversial issues like Xinjiang and Tibet." Another said he had been discouraged from assigning his course a "sensitive" title. Many of those we interviewed said they modified their remarks inside and outside the classroom for fear of not being able to visit China or of losing funding sources, or of causing problems for Chinese students.

    Many academics described discomfort with the presence of Confucius Institutes, which offer classes in Chinese language and culture, on their campuses. While this sounds like the British Council or Alliance Francaise, in fact the institutes are effectively outposts of China’s education ministry and are fundamentally incompatible with a robust commitment to academic freedom.

    Confucius Institutes actively take steps to censor certain topics and perspectives in course materials on political grounds and take political loyalty into consideration in hiring decisions. Chinese Communist Party speeches have openly described the institutes as "an important part of China’s overseas propaganda set-up". ...
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    P Dutty in deep doody?

    Claims against Dutton cannot be ignored, Turnbull says


    Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said Scott Morrison cannot brush off revelations over Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton's contact with controversial Chinese-Australian businessman Huang Xiangmo as part of the "Canberra bubble".

    Mr Turnbull said the meeting was a matter of national security and called on Mr Dutton to explain whether he fast-tracked the citizenship applications for Mr Huang's family. ...

    In a separate audio recording, Mr Santoro boasted to a client Mr Dutton was one of his "best friends" and for a $20,000 fee, he could provide access to Mr Dutton's office to help with migration applications. ...

    But Mr Turnbull - who has no love lost for Mr Dutton after he initiated the August leadership challenge - said Mr Dutton "has got a lot to explain about this".

    "He is supposed to be the minister responsible for the domestic security of Australia, he is supposed to be the minister responsible for ensuring our politics is not influenced by foreign actors," Mr Turnbull said.

    "The laws that I introduced at the end of 2017 about foreign influence and foreign interference are very important laws and responded to a rising concern in the community.

    "Now, the idea that the minister responsible for enforcing those laws has had a meeting of this kind does raise a lot of questions but Peter Dutton is the only one that can answer it and Mr Santo Santoro should equally be answering questions about his role. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    More must be done to protect academic freedoms under threat from China Elaine Pearson, Australia director at Human Rights Watch
    ... Our research found that the Chinese state’s repressive apparatus follows students from China to Australia. Some university students from China have reported that other students from China monitor what they say and do. These students have described warnings by Chinese officials to refrain from criticising the Chinese government in classroom discussions. Several academics told Human Rights Watch about incidents in which Chinese students described intimidation of their families in China because of what students had said in the classroom, or because they joined certain activities or demonstrations. ...
    It's always amazing to me that anyone in Australia would assume that Chinese students are expressing their real opinions when they say that they support the totalitarian regime. The Four Corners program last night showed what can happen to people who criticise the Communist Party, even in Australia.

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    https://www.facebook.com/scmp/videos...TcyMTM2NTcxNw/

    Do not you need we need censorship in Australia? or Do we need to continue with people behaving inappropriately?
    Can you see how ''democracy'' fails some of the internet censorship basics?

    Should not it be a norm for government to monitor people's activities and identify illegal behaviour?
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