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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Political correctness is using fake offence as an excuse for Gedankenpolizei regulation of speech. One of the best treatments is mockery, as per MB's post.
    Classical example is: when people fail to secure a job as the job goes to someone who is better skilled/experienced and then start screaming of racism or even ''special jobs to be created fro them where only they can apply'' - and it is not even a joke...this is what really happens with some jobs where ''Indigenous applicants wanted'' etc. - and whoever does not like such jobs being created is of course a ''racist''
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Just take Christmas, the ostensible topic of this thread. We have the interesting spectacle of atheopaths like Dawkins claiming that HE was not one of those trying to ban "Merry Christmas": ...
    I didn't realise that Dawkins posted on Chess Chat

    Michael's post was specifically addressed to people on Chess Chat, so any examples from here? I thought not

    But if you're so concerned about freedom of religion, maybe you should have a word to Michael about his opposition to religious freedom in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Classical example is: ... when people fail to secure a job as the job goes to someone who is better skilled/experienced and then start screaming of racism or even ''special jobs to be created fro them where only they can apply'' - and it is not even a joke...this is what really happens with some jobs where ''Indigenous applicants wanted'' etc. - and whoever does not like such jobs being created is of course a ''racist''
    In China, members of the Communist Party, and their family, get special treatment all the time. Is that okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    In China, members of the Communist Party, and their family, get special treatment all the time. Is that okay?
    In Australia indigenous get special treatment...and this special treatment is certainly fare more transparent (and legally binding) than what happens in China (guanxi)
    is it OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Not too far from the mark. And since the date doesn't matter anyway, no biggie about being posted on Boxing Day in Australia which would have probably been Christmas day here in Atlanta.
    I'm sure Trump will do something about that:
    Just found out Australia ALREADY celabrated New Years Eve!! HOURS before the United States!! Its 2019 in Australia and 2018 in the USA! Gives them a huge UNFAIR advantage! How did we let them get ahead of us? Now there laughing at us! #NewYearsEve #HappyNewYear2019 #HappyNewYear
    In case anyone's wondering, it's a parody account - although ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    In Australia indigenous get special treatment...and this special treatment is certainly fare more transparent (and legally binding) than what happens in China (guanxi) is it OK?
    Are you seriously asking whether laws passed openly and democratically in Australia are better than secret deals that nobody in China is allowed to discuss? Not to mention that many of those relatives have received hundreds of millions of dollars thanks to special treatment - far more than Indigenous people have ever received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Are you seriously asking whether laws passed openly and democratically in Australia are better than secret deals that nobody in China is allowed to discuss? Not to mention that many of those relatives have received hundreds of millions of dollars thanks to special treatment - far more than Indigenous people have ever received.
    I am seriously asking while some jobs (particularly government) are posted with accompanying statement (Aboriginals and Torre Streight Islanders are encouraged to apply) - this has nothing to do with equal treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I am seriously asking while some jobs (particularly government) are posted with accompanying statement (Aboriginals and Torre Streight Islanders are encouraged to apply) - this has nothing to do with equal treatment.
    Do you think that relatives of Communist Party members receive special treatment in China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Not too far from the mark. And since the date doesn't matter anyway, no biggie about being posted on Boxing Day in Australia which would have probably been Christmas day here in Atlanta.
    Ah-HAH!!!

    Finally, you have let out where you are from, Aquaman!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Do you think that relatives of Communist Party members receive special treatment in China?
    Not when applying to enter uni for sure...no special places for relatives of members of communist party. Same exam for all...No ''Indigenous '' there
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    The gender identity debate is only marginally related, if at all these days, to biological sex - indeed, it's the notion of 'gender identity' that has supplanted the imperatives of biological sex in law and practice in many jurisdictions and is the reason for the unusual but growing coalition of lesbians, feminists and conservatives who are opposed to it.
    Doing some research (as you require Mr. Baron to do, before demonstrating your own research skills by directing the reader to a wiki article on intersex) is good advice. Follow it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by idledim View Post
    The gender identity debate is only marginally related, if at all these days, to biological sex - indeed, it's the notion of 'gender identity' that has supplanted the imperatives of biological sex in law and practice in many jurisdictions and is the reason for the unusual but growing coalition of lesbians, feminists and conservatives who are opposed to it. Doing some research (as you require Mr. Baron to do, before demonstrating your own research skills by directing the reader to a wiki article on intersex) is good advice. Follow it!
    I'm well aware of this. But Michael was asking a very basic question, so I thought he needed a basic introduction - which seems to have worked, since we've heard no more from Michael on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Not when applying to enter uni for sure...no special places for relatives of members of communist party. Same exam for all...No ''Indigenous '' there
    No special places...
    "Membership in the Chinese Communist Party is preferred," according to the job postings for two of the positions -- Specialist for Residence Life and Specialist for Student Conduct. Both of the posts are non-academic jobs that include close contact with students on the Wenzhou campus, who are mostly Chinese students taking classes in English to earn Kean degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    I'm well aware of this. But Michael was asking a very basic question, so I thought he needed a basic introduction - which seems to have worked, since we've heard no more from Michael on the subject.
    In other words, you deliberately misled him to shut him up. O well, if you must .... what else is a poor keyboard warrior to do?

    Since, as you say, you are well aware of the issues, can i ask:

    Should business owners who provide 'brazilian' services be forced to perform them on people born male but who identify as female?
    Should people who are born male but who identify as women be allowed to enter the Boston marathon as women?
    Should people who are born as male and commit a number of sexual assaults on women and who now identify as women be sent to a woman's prison?
    Should there even be such a thing as womens prisons?
    Should people who identify as women be allowed to join women - only gym clubs?
    Should children under the age of consent and who are given puberty blockers be allowed to sue their parents and / or the providers of these services when they become sterile as a result?
    Should Germaine Greer be 'no-platformed' for saying that transsexual women are not women?
    Should i be no-platformed for using 'transsexual' instead of 'transgender'?
    Should i be sent to the Tasmanian anti-discrimination authorities for asking these questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idledim View Post
    In other words, you deliberately misled him to shut him up. O well, if you must .... what else is a poor keyboard warrior to do?
    "In other words" is a good way to put it! You've translated my attempt to help Michael, which apparently provided the information he required (as he hasn't asked any further questions):
    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    But Michael was asking a very basic question, so I thought he needed a basic introduction - which seems to have worked, since we've heard no more from Michael on the subject.
    into an attempt to mislead him by actually answering his question. Michael is a University lecturer with a PhD, so obviously he can do his own research and critically analyse sources of information - the idea that I would have "misled" him is just silly.

    Quote Originally Posted by idledim View Post
    Since, as you say, you are well aware of the issues, can i ask:...
    I'm not interested in having a lengthy discussion about multiple issues with someone who has already shown that they're willing to twist my words - it's too much like hard work. But if you select one or two issues from that list, and post your questions on the relevant thread, I'll be happy to discuss them.

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