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    The trouble I have with Synergy Chess (SC) is I don't understand the motivation. What is it's reason for being. Probably the most successful variant in Chess960 which looks to address a particular problem (memorisation of opening moves). But I just can't see the raison d'etre for SC.

    Looking at the website wasn't much help as it said things like "more strategies, dangers and opportunities" however I haven't heard of too many people leaving chess because it wasn't complex enough. Secondly the website seems to suggest that SC is more forgiving. Playing chess one wrong move will lose you the game. That is true of chess at a high level of play but not so much for lower levels of play. I would content the same is true of SC if played by strong SC players it will be no more forgiving than chess.

    So the unanswered question for me is why Synergy Chess?
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    Sorry Mr Rout - I am not about to hand out my customers details. Congratulations on becoming an International Master. Have you tried Synergy Chess yet?

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    It seems you have missed the point of Synergy chess Rincewood. Synergy chess was designed to give players, on all levels, a more exciting chess experience, and it does that. Play it, and I am confident you will agree.

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    Looks like the crowd funding campaign hasn't quite hit critical mass yet.
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    Care to pledge some support road runner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
    Probably the most successful variant in Chess960
    I would have said blitz, though your point still stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Synergy Rob View Post
    Sorry Mr Rout - I am not about to hand out my customers details. Congratulations on becoming an International Master. Have you tried Synergy Chess yet?
    Fair enough. But what I was getting at is not that I don't believe you but that endorsement or rejection by beginners or social players is of little meaning, even to other beginners.

    When players start playing chess their aim is to make legal moves. It takes a few games to do that consistently but their play is still littered with pieces left en prise or free pieces missed, excessive pawn moves, naive threats, King safety disregarded, failure to convert winning positions, complete lack of endgame understanding etc.

    It takes some time to get to a stage where the consequences of moves are at least dimly understood and anticipated and the nuances of strategy start to kick in. Before that happens chess and synergy are fundamentally the same game - horse moves in an L, prawns only go forward, etc. Even if a player expresses a preference they don't have a sound basis for it. It may simply be that they lose less quickly with two Kings.

    Chess, unlike synergy, has a body of theory, literature and history, a management structure, many clubs and a pool of opponents, and a title and championship system, so synergy starts at a great disadvantage. Hence if a few experienced chess players announce that they are turning their backs on chess then that carries some weight. They must have discerned some superior aspect in synergy that, even if we disagree with it, has to be acknowledged.

    No, I haven't tried it. But if enough others do and endorse it then I might. Possibly you could promote it by organising a tournament or exhibition games to generate sample games, rather than just rely on marketing.

    PS: That's a (system-generated) Chesschat IM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergy Rob View Post
    It seems you have missed the point of Synergy chess Rincewood. Synergy chess was designed to give players, on all levels, a more exciting chess experience, and it does that. Play it, and I am confident you will agree.
    Thanks Rob, if excitement is the prime mover then that doesn't come through clearly in the marketing. Archon has to be my favourite excitement based chess variant.

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    [QUOTE=Ian Rout;407372]

    I think this is in indiect way of saying your claim is doubtful. Consider going on a specialised football discussion forum saying you had invented a new version of football where two balls are used and players that had tried it didn't want to go back to regular football because it was to limiting. Sure those footballers might try it for fun but i wouldnt imagine anyone involved in football would suddenly abandon their passion for the new gimmick that came along. Also the comment might not go down too well saying that regular football is too limiting. I think if I tried it on a football site it would be met with a whole lot of abuse.

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    I agree with you Mr Rout, that it takes some time to learn even the most basic strategies to win a game of chess. It took me a very long time to beat my father (whom I thought was a good player). Then I tried my strategies on other players, and got slaughtered. I realized that I was not very good at chess, so I tried to play better players all the time to improve my game. I am still not a very strong player. On chess.com I am only ranked 1200, and I think they are being generous.

    I came so close to giving up, and just not being bothered with chess anymore, because I was getting tired of getting beaten every game. I learnt a lot from that experience - mainly how to be humble in defeat lol.

    If I lost my Queen, or any major piece, for no gain, I used to get disappointed to the point that I considered that there was no reason to continue the game, and would sometimes just resign. I have met a lot of players that go through this very thing, and I am sure you have too.

    When I first came up with this idea, I thought that just because my friends said it was good, that doesn’t make it good. I made up some prototype sets, and went out to the local markets, and tested SC on random players. The feedback validated that I have a viable idea. This came from people playing SC, not just contemplating its concept. I do not know if any of these people are seriously ranked, but I seems that the higher the ranking the bigger the shun – without even trying it! In October last year I donated copies of SC to the Melbourne, Brisbane, and Townsville Chess clubs. So far none of them have offered any feedback at all.

    When SC is ready to be played online everyone gets to try it for free. I hope you will try it too.

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    Mr Wastney,

    Play 6 games of Synergy Chess with a compatible player, and then play a regular game of chess, and get back to me with some honest feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergy Rob View Post
    Mr Wastney,

    Play 6 games of Synergy Chess with a compatible player, and then play a regular game of chess, and get back to me with some honest feedback.
    I think you are missing my point. Football, like chess, is not going to be replaced by another game. Football players will stick to football and chess players to chess. The rich history, the global popularity and sporting structures in place make it what it is. I understanding the marketing to the general public that know little about chess that saying it is superior to chess is probably going to work. My point is that it is fool hardy to try and market it this way to the chess community.

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    i am going to let the chess community decide for itself. When we launch the digital version, everyone will get to try it for free. If you are honest about your ranking, you will get a competitive game.

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    Testers wanted for online game

    Synergy Chess is an innovative game of Double Chess. Using 2 complete sets of pieces each, on a bigger board (12 x 12 squares), Synergy Chess offers the challenge to checkmate 2 Kings to win. When the first King is in checkmate it comes off the board, and then you have to checkmate the second King to win the game. I am looking for Chess players to help test the online version of Synergy Chess. Please visit the website: www.synergychess.net to view the game. If you are keen to try something different, and Think outside the square, then please contact me at info@synergychess.net.

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    Starting position looks ill-conceived. Rook on c3 (etc) surrounded by 3 pawns, king on 3rd rank. Better to keep them back.
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    Hi Road Runner. The original idea was to keep chess in the centre and expand around it, so I did not change the original starting positions. It took a very long time to work out where the pieces need to sit to make the game work properly. If you are keen, I can send you some videos I made explaining the game, and how it works. Would you be interested in trying it?

    Rob.

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