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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    On what grounds may she have been sickened?
    On the ground that she had to read literature of poor quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    So it is used for ESL/EAL students, who are probably not ready to tackle Dostoevsky yet

    And you haven't actually read it, but are basing your opinion on someone who was "sickened" by it. Malala's treatment is pretty sickening, but it's also what actually happened to her, and is still happening to girls in Afghanistan.
    Maybe Michael is a Trumpian in that only white heroes matter? On a different note often in the extreme societies it is only the communists who stick up for the rights of women and the downtrodden. One hundred years ago the West was terrified that Russian communists were spreading/influencing the downtrodden all around the world to revolt. In Africa Nelson Mandela took up the challenge and brought home the bacon - it proves that the communism culture of equality and black people can be just as achieving and their heroes intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Maybe Michael is a Trumpian in that only white heroes matter? On a different note often in the extreme societies it is only the communists who stick up for the rights of women and the downtrodden. One hundred years ago the West was terrified that Russian communists were spreading/influencing the downtrodden all around the world to revolt. In Africa Nelson Mandela took up the challenge and brought home the bacon - it proves that the communism culture of equality and black people can be just as achieving and their heroes intelligent.
    There are all kinds of heroes. Again, my point is not that Malala's hero status is debatable (I've heard many opinions) but that if I am to read a book...I want it to be a good book irrespective if its about a hero or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    There are all kinds of heroes. Again, my point is not that Malala's hero status is debatable (I've heard many opinions) but that if I am to read a book...I want it to be a good book irrespective if its about a hero or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Must agree on the case of the Bible
    Bible aside (and not all agree on Bible either ). Would you rather pretend that writers like Hamsun (who supported Nazi's) do not exist? or should anti-socialist like me ignore Orwell? Curiously, Orwell was referring to Kipling as ''morally insensitive''....so do we need to pick one of the 2 to read and learn from based on our political views?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    ....this is just politically motivated selection of literature ...or another book that is on the same book list ''Rabbit-Proof Fence''.
    How do you know that the book wasn't selected on literary grounds if you haven't read it? And what are the 'political' motivations - opposition to the Taliban?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    There are all kinds of heroes. Again, my point is not that Malala's hero status is debatable (I've heard many opinions) but that if I am to read a book...I want it to be a good book irrespective if its about a hero or not.
    So what modern biographies of teenagers would you recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Again, my point is not that Malala's hero status is debatable (I've heard many opinions)
    But were any of them informed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    So what modern biographies of teenagers would you recommend?
    Individual text choice hardly matters - and hasn't mattered for at least 20 years. What matters more, and is unwavering, is the mandated framework of analysis, and the mandated meta-narratives that inform it. Students these days are required to 'interrogate' texts as representations of class, gender, ethnicity and cultural identity. They are assessed on their ability at decoding these power relationships. Reading the book is an optional extra. They would first need to interrogate your question so they can 'expose' what your use of culturally determined notions of 'modernity', 'teenagers' and 'representations of self' reveal about your status as a privileged white male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    "I am Malala" doesn't appear on the list of VCE texts for 2018, so why do you believe that students are forced to study it? The list does include many great books by great authors. And Malala is the youngest Nobel Laureate, so young people reading about her life seems like a good idea to me - the work is a biography, not a novel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Speaking of studying in Vic:

    Revealed: Where to go to university if you want a high salary after graduating

    Graduates from Sydney's major universities are earning up to 10 per cent more than their Melbourne counterparts just a few years after finishing their degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idledim View Post
    Individual text choice hardly matters - and hasn't mattered for at least 20 years. What matters more, and is unwavering, is the mandated framework of analysis, and the mandated meta-narratives that inform it. Students these days are required to 'interrogate' texts as representations of class, gender, ethnicity and cultural identity. They are assessed on their ability at decoding these power relationships. Reading the book is an optional extra. They would first need to interrogate your question so they can 'expose' what your use of culturally determined notions of 'modernity', 'teenagers' and 'representations of self' reveal about your status as a privileged white male.
    Or yes...feeling apologetic for being a priviledged white male is a must!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Or yes...feeling apologetic for being a priviledged white male is a must!
    Now Michael if you did not feel apologetic for being a privileged and white male then you should also read The Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith, because he was an Aborigine who had a grudge against such people so he went on a killing spree around Victoria getting revenge on all such folk who underpaid and abused him. And include on your reading list Chairman Mao who advised "study your enemy".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ch...cksmith_(film)

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    Brilliant Macabre and violent drama
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    Thomas Keneally's THE CHANT OF JIMMIE BLACKSMITH novel works on so many levels - a period piece, as a biting satire and as a wonderfully composed drama. This film of the same name attempts to capture the poignancy and strength of the original classic novel. It achieves this wonderfully. The film is excellently acted and the violence is both well shot and vibrantly enacted. The score is great too. Also the Australian landscape - not to mention its social underbelly, was never shot with as much insight.

    An excellent starting point to understand such great Aussie films like the tracker and rabbit proof fence.

    10/10

    I was unaware of this recommendation that was on Wiki: While not prosecuted for obscenity, the film was seized and confiscated in the UK under Section 3 of the Obscene Publications Act 1959 during the video nasty panic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idledim View Post
    ... They would first need to interrogate your question so they can 'expose' what your use of culturally determined notions of 'modernity', 'teenagers' and 'representations of self' reveal about your status as a privileged white male.
    But how would they know I was a white male based solely on my Chess Chat posts (let alone a privileged one)

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Now Michael if you did not feel apologetic for being a privileged and white male then you should also read The Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith, because he was an Aborigine who had a grudge against such people so he went on a killing spree around Victoria getting revenge on all such folk who underpaid and abused him. And include on your reading list Chairman Mao who advised "study your enemy".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ch...cksmith_(film)

    A review
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077318/

    Brilliant Macabre and violent drama
    23 March 2005 | by thewholebrevitything
    Thomas Keneally's THE CHANT OF JIMMIE BLACKSMITH novel works on so many levels - a period piece, as a biting satire and as a wonderfully composed drama. This film of the same name attempts to capture the poignancy and strength of the original classic novel. It achieves this wonderfully. The film is excellently acted and the violence is both well shot and vibrantly enacted. The score is great too. Also the Australian landscape - not to mention its social underbelly, was never shot with as much insight.

    An excellent starting point to understand such great Aussie films like the tracker and rabbit proof fence.

    10/10

    I was unaware of this recommendation that was on Wiki: While not prosecuted for obscenity, the film was seized and confiscated in the UK under Section 3 of the Obscene Publications Act 1959 during the video nasty panic.

    Sorry, I prefer reading anti-Semitic Kafka, Drug-addict Bulgakov, alcoholic Hemingway, Military general Sun Tzu...
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