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    Video "The magnificent arrest of Paul Charles Dozsa" (not actually him)

    Are you sure that this is the REAL Paul D. ??

    I always thought that this was a kind of a copycat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machomortensen View Post
    Are you sure that this is the REAL Paul D. ??

    I always thought that this was a kind of a copycat.
    did not look like or sound anything like him. that was an english accent.

    He gave my son free chess lessons, he was an excellent coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by machomortensen View Post
    Are you sure that this is the REAL Paul D. ??

    I always thought that this was a kind of a copycat.
    well too late to ask him I suppose!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    well too late to ask him I suppose!
    that micro chip would provide an answer.
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    I think, it's discussed at you tube ... Maybe eg. Guy West can solve the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by machomortensen View Post
    I think, it's discussed at you tube ... Maybe eg. Guy West can solve the problem?
    not going to discuss this any further.
    nor to refer to other forums be it uT or fB or whatever.
    not interested in hearsay in forums.
    In serious (and not so serious) sources in the internet
    there's not the slightest shade of doubt that the person in the video
    is in fact PCD.

    So to answer your question

    Are you sure that this is the REAL Paul D. ??
    are you sure he is not?

    question is rhetorical!
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    I could PM a site link that has a good shot of him in later life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    not going to discuss this any further.
    nor to refer to other forums be it uT or fB or whatever.
    not interested in hearsay in forums.
    In serious (and not so serious) sources in the internet
    there's not the slightest shade of doubt that the person in the video
    is in fact PCD.

    So to answer your question



    are you sure he is not?

    question is rhetorical!
    I am sure that it is not - the voice completely different. I have contacts in the Hungarian community who had personal experiences with him I can request them to check out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    I could PM a site link that has a good shot of him in later life.
    I think I have seen the one you are talking about elsewhere, not so sure though!
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    This discussion should be included in this thread devoted to Dosza http://www.chesschat.org/showthread....ighlight=dosza
    The video link is also found there.I met Dosza in Elwood about 2003.He was playing in the State Championship.I spoke to him briefly and my view is the accent of the man in the video is not a match.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVJU1CuM0Q

    Some video comments:
    Bill Egan
    4 years ago
    I knew Paul well as a personal friend since the 1970s; this is definitely nothing like him, he had infinitely more class and would never have been disrespectful to police or anyone, he was a true gentleman, even if as nutty as a fruitcake
    Henrik Mortensen
    5 years ago
    Sorry to spoil a great story, but this is NOT Paul Dosza (1940 - 2003) from Australia.
    MelbourneGamesCoach
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    Most definitely NOT Paul Charles Dosza, the Hungarian-born chess player, but an amusing video nevertheless!

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    LOL move the frigging thing away!!!
    Well, since no official and I mean serious debunking of the videotaped person being the late PCD by any credible source can be produced
    let's be satisfied by the grave digging, court decisions posting, expert hearsay, and chess circle hunger ons-cum- linguistics experts' learned opinion.
    Could be useful if we had the local grocery - fruit shop assistant's opinion to testify P.D's accent when he bought his broccoli and brussels sprouts but hey!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    LOL move the frigging thing away!!!
    Well, since no official and I mean serious debunking of the videotaped person being the late PCD by any credible source can be produced
    let's be satisfied by the grave digging, court decisions posting, expert hearsay, and chess circle hunger ons-cum- linguistics experts' learned opinion.
    Could be useful if we had the local grocery shop assistant's opinion to testify P.D's accent when he bought his broccoli and brussels sprouts but hey!
    Add GM Ian Rogers and Jammo to the doubters. [analogy deleted - mod] May I ask did you have any conversations with the guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Add GM Ian Rogers and Jammo to the doubters.
    well they aren't official sources are they? Apart from their titles they 're just people
    like you and me! they are entitled to their opinion as much
    as I am to mine. (which in this case is not that I claim originality of
    PCD's video - I myself am a doubter but on the other side of the fense)!

    [reply to analogy by antichrist deleted - mod]

    May I ask did you have any conversations with the guy?
    No! none of your frigging business what I am talking about with the Lord!

    If you think I am writing all this to flatter or placate you, you can go and get stuffed!

    (*) I 've got them all on ignore - serves them right!

    (**) trying to talk Capa fan, into giving you Mrs Sarfati's cell phone number was a classic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    LOL move the frigging thing away!!!
    Well, since no official and I mean serious debunking of the videotaped person being the late PCD by any credible source can be produced
    let's be satisfied by the grave digging, court decisions posting, expert hearsay, and chess circle hunger ons-cum- linguistics experts' learned opinion.
    You previously said:

    In serious (and not so serious) sources in the internet
    there's not the slightest shade of doubt that the person in the video
    is in fact PCD.
    What are the serious sources?

    Given that people who knew Dozsa are saying it definitely isn't him in the video, but you haven't even said what your "serious sources" are, it doesn't seem to me that you're in a position to be demanding "serious debunking". After all you have provided nothing by way of evidence, but on being confronted with evidence of a higher standard than what you have produced, you ask the other side to lift its game. Why don't you lift yours?

    And to say that Bill Egan's comment is not a "serious debunking" or that he is not a "credible source" reflects poorly on you and not at all on him.
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